• pivot_root@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      Please fill in the blanks:

      • China’s socioeconomic model is _____.
      • In the Russia—Ukraine war, Russia is _____.
      • _____ Korea is the more prosperous of the two.
      • zqps@sh.itjust.works
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        3 days ago

        “More prosperous” means absolutely nothing historically or ethically, or worse it typically means “aligned with imperialist hegemons”.

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            What a pointlessly hostile and asshole way to make your point! Did it feel good? I’ll try to refrain from doing the same.

            What “prosperity” means in this context is typically just amassed wealth and GDP, which says nothing about how well the population is actually doing.

            • Under which definition of prosperity (whether that being the well-being of the population or “alignment with imperial powers”) is North Korea doing better?

              You made it sound like the answer depends on the definition of “prosperity” so I’m wondering under which definition the answer would be different.

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                I said literally: it means absolutely nothing historically or ethically, or worse it typically means “aligned with imperialist hegemons”.

                Do I need to explain to you what that means, or do you have a clue about South Korean history and US foreign policy?

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                    There’s two issues. The one is that prosperity is already very ambiguous, and in the context of nations we usually default to easily measurable things like GDP. This doesn’t define human well-being which is actually not so easy to measure. Look at the US as the richest nation on earth for a stark example. The question was asked in this way and without this clarification for a reason.

                    But the bigger issue is that it’s just the wrong question to ask. Any definition of prosperity for one massive people can be built upon the cruel subjugation and exploitation of others. And that’s exactly what happened and continues to happen under the “former” global colonial powers, as well as aligned governments (which includes a lot of puppets). Hence US foreign policy. Celebrating this as a victory of capitalism is either clueless or outright malicious.

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                  Do I need to explain to you what that means, or do you have a clue about South Korean history and US foreign policy?

                  I appreciate you showing me how not to make a point in “a pointlessly hostile and asshole way”!

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                    2 days ago

                    Yeah I guess you got me down to your level.

                    So now only the difference remains that I didn’t misconstrue your point on purpose to score a cheap dunk.

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        22 hours ago

        I have seen people from .ml defending N. Korea while saying S. Korea are the bad guys. They think the state of affairs in N. Korea is just western propaganda and it’s actually a communist utopia there. Some seem really unhinged with their theories.