cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/53240422
I mean I do like some of his music, but how is this considered a genius-level lyrics ?
I don’t think I’d call him a lyrical genius but this song is basically an interlude off of quite an old album. Flower Boy represented a big shift for his music tonally and maturity-wise. Maybe check his music after that to get a better idea of why is current fans feel the way they do.
One of the main themes of this album was summer camp. Some of the album literally feels campy and other parts feel angsty or edgy. It’s meant to put you in the mind of a teenage boy. IFHY or Answer would be a better representation of lyricism off this album.
Pop artists and their stupid fans are obsessed with labels.
They can’t just say that they enjoy something. That something must be special, that artist must be the best of all time, I must be special for recognizing how special they are.
It’s been a while since I’ve listened to him, but I felt like he really struck an authentic vein with young men, especially queer kids. I wouldn’t say his lyrics are genius, but his music was refreshing for popular hip-hop. I think a lot of his fans value the feelings he gives them over most other rappers in the space, even when their technical ability surpasses his.
Also his music production team sounds great, imo.
Maybe this one song from 12 years ago isn’t an accurate representation of his entire body of work
He’s not.
Only people that go around saying GOAT all the time at every small thing say he’s a lyrical genius. 2/10 would not lyric again.
Sam this is wolf Wolf this is Sam Don’t you know that he writes lyrics so even keppy understands?
wait. in a wall of fucks, some asshole thought it was necessary to censor a word? who are these fucking morons?
edit: Don’t hide Tyler’s bigotry. Put him on display. Show this sort of shit to the world. Hiding it doesn’t change what he wrote.
“Fuck” is not a slur unlike the censored word
And yet directly quoting it underscores this idiotic mess of a song and its creator’s messaging. Hiding it doesn’t change what he wrote.
Put people on blast for their trash.
You realize he’s gay right? Do you think black people shouldn’t be able to say the n-word?
I didn’t. I’m just bowing out of this conversation. All I intended was defense of people. Instead, I got something else.
I get it, just maybe look into things a bit before just labeling someone a bigot. To be fair you can be both gay and homophobic, I just don’t think that’s the case here, he’s just an edgelord. He also said this when he was like 18 and as far as I remember he hasn’t used the f-slur in his newest records.
See, that’s the issue. Nobody has time to research every single little thing. I saw somebody complaining about the lyrics. I read them and saw censorship of a slur, I saw garbage content, and I read context on the slur. My reaction was “whoa, fuck this.” Yet, here I am, on the wrong side, because I didn’t take time to research some artist I don’t care about. An artist people were criticizing already.
There’s no winning. I knew the moment I pulled out I’d be told, “wElL yOu ShOuLd ReSeArCh” because that’s how this fucking world works now.
Instead: dogpile rather than recognizing intent. I’m just so tired.
2 people replied to you and you got down voted to -2. You weren’t “dog piled” but whatever man…
We weren’t even harsh towards you. We just said there’s a difference between fuck and the f-slur and that the dude was gay.
Everybody famous is totally overrated.
Bob Dylan for example barely qualifies as a musician, yet he’s considered one of the best songwriters ever. I’ll never get it. My son wrote more inspired lyrics and played the guitar better a month after picking it up for the first time when he was in high school: where’s his Nobel Prize?
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the words don’t gotta make sense in music, they’re not the whole thing. that’s part of the beauty of it.
Thanks for pointing this out. People act like lyrics have to be fit for dissection in English class to be good. If they were, none of the meaning would get to you while you actually listen to the song. The lyrics and the rest of the song need to work together to make you feel something. Extremely simple or even nonsense lyrics can bring you to feel something more strongly than if they were deep and brooding with big vocabulary and metaphors. If Tyler’s music doesn’t make you feel something? Then don’t listen.
