Cities Panic Over Having to Release Mass Surveillance Recordings | naked capitalism
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Time to cheer a legal win against the surveillance state, here the use of massive spycams by a vendor called Flock.

This gets us to the central problem of today’s surveillance state. No one running the cameras wants to be observed. One reason that city officials object to releasing Flock data, for example, must that they themselves are among the recorded. The cameras are on them too; they too can be tracked. Everything means everything for these everywhere cameras.

  • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    4 hours ago

    You chastises me for telling you are free to go somewhere else yet in the next sentence wish to restrict my rights and my hobby in a public space because you don’t wish to be recorded.

    There’s a saying where everyone’s rights only extend until it infringes upon that of others. here you can’t record me in public without my written permission, just as I can’t record you. Similarly:

    If I was in a public park recording the trees or birds or the sick looking car in the parking lot, I should have the right to do so and not be hindered by you because you don’t want me to.

    you can take photos all you want until unconsenting people are not visible on it. you have the right to take photos. until it infringes upon the basic human right to privacy of others. here in Europe people have more rights than just being allowed to stay silent.

    Did you know NOAA ( https://www.noaa.gov/ )and NWS (https://www.weather.gov/ ) make their information public and

    what? are you arguing that the weather has a right to privacy??

    Did you know you can view and monitor the most of the world’s shipping traffic?

    The same goes for air traffic.

    that’s just commercial entities… no private information is exposed there. for air traffic, right there are private jets, but like public servants, that should just be an additional category of people who have less rights because of their power to keep in check. also the way air traffic coordination works it cannot really be restricted.

    If these cameras go up I want them to be accessible to everyone

    if. but better they just not go up, but instead, down.

    As I stated I am conflicted about the whole thing.

    you know, somewhat me too. like the court room recordings. but I would only want it released if I agree to it, and otherwise there can still be written transcripts, redacted from private info at the few points where needed. but only if the person is not a public servant or otherwise wielding a lot of power (e.g. through highly outstanding wealth).

    If they exist I want them open for unrestricted public use like say GPS.

    yeah but the way GPS works, it does not expose any information about the user. devices just receive precise timestamp and sat constellation info, GPS itself does not send any information.

    Sorry for long post.

    it was not that long!

    • zephiriz@lemmy.ml
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      1 hour ago

      Sorry for double post but here are some more, I think their great, YouTube channels that give more opinion and point of view from an American point of view and why I think there should be no expectations of privacy in a public space.

      https://youtube.com/@firstamendmentprotectionagency

      https://youtube.com/@thearmedfisherman

      https://youtube.com/@lacklustermedia

      https://youtube.com/@dreadingcap

      https://youtube.com/@thevillainscrime

      https://youtube.com/@jamesfreeman1

      https://youtube.com/@amagansettpress

      https://youtube.com/@kultnews

      There are many more. I do not wish to give this up because the person being filmed doesn’t like it. They should act better and be a better person.

    • zephiriz@lemmy.ml
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      2 hours ago

      The article is about United States town and our laws here me being from the US. Maybe that is most of the heart of our difference of opinions. It sounds as though you are from Europe. And as I stated you are welcome to go elsewhere as you already are. If I happen to go over there I shall respect your laws and not record people. But me being here in the US I can very well record you in a public park I do not need your okay to do so, the news can also record you on the side of the street without your consent. As I’ve said I’m not sure I’m willing to give that right up. Insert typically American rally around the constitution and guns and fuck yeah team America bullshit.

      But its also the beauty of having different countries or with in the US each states has its own laws, as I or you can move to suit our own societal needs and wants without infringement on others. Well hopefully. Its not perfect but its all we got. Or possibly Democratically change said laws. Good luck changing the US constitution. I really suggest watching some of the channels I posted.

      I posted all that info ( you left off some of the public available info I listed) because it is public info and while I don’t know how making said cameras open to the public would make the world better. I’m sure someone smarter than me can find a way. Just like they found a way to make everything I listed great. Just like how the public makes Foss software great. If we make it, it should be public so the public can make sure it’s used for good not evil. It should not be held behind government closed doors. We shouldn’t be fearful of information. How long did they take to make GPS fully available to the public.

      I shall respect your right to privacy where you are from and I shall try my best to stop American imperialism ( free Palestine, fuck Israel and Slava Ukraini) infringement on that right. But I do ask you to not to infringe on my rights here afforded to me by my laws. Guns, fuck yeah. Though I do ask if this Orange wana be King overstays his term limit and doesn’t get the fuck out come 2028 I hope you come help us overthrow his pedo ass.

      Hope we can agree to disagree. With love stay safe out in this chaotic work. Edit world.