Majority of Liberals wanted net zero gone
The shadow ministry met for about three hours on Thursday morning to set the path forward, a day after Liberal MPs and senators converged on Canberra for a mammoth net-zero-themed party room meeting.Each of the 49 members present on Wednesday was offered five minutes to speak on the topic, and while there was no formal vote, Liberals all agreed that there were more people opposed to the target than in favour.
See - this is a serious problem: As a result of the party’s shoddy stance on climate, despite the electorate making it crystal clear they want this, they’re listening internally the few members who were elected - and not all the members who failed to be elected.
How can the party look at the success of the Teal movement, which is essentially ‘Liberals who care about climate’, and not see the picture being painted? Surely you should look at all the seats you didn’t win and ask “why?”
Can we change the title to:
Liberal party commits to net zero seats until 2050
Ha! I was going to say it’s against the rules, but there’s no actual rule in the sub about editorializing news headlines.
I think we are about to have the next generation of folks have the epiphany that the “climate change disaster” isnt what they have been told for the last 20 years. Ive seen many liberals eyes opened and realize they had been lied to for decades about “global warming”.
I was so happy to hear about this! The Libs are digging their electoral grave deeper and deeper. I had an inkling that, because most of their seats lost at the last election were moderates, the remaining voices would all swing conservative and pull the party even further to the right. With this kind of rhetoric the Coalition isn’t going to be a viable option for government for at least another couple of election cycles.
I just really, really hope that votes for them move towards independents and other parties as opposed to bolstering Labor’s current lead.
The really stupid thing is that they aren’t getting into government in the next election and probably not in the one after, so the energy transition is going to be mostly done by then. The elderly coal plants that the LNP wants to pour money into are going to be gone.
Coal power stations wear out, and we haven’t built any new ones in 20 years or so. Many of them were built in the 80s and nobody’s looking to fund new ones.
Time for us all to formally abandon the liberal party then…
I mean, we mostly already have. What I think they should be doing is looking at this simple fact and asking themselves what they can do to make themselves more attractive to the electorate. I don’t think they’re doing that, and that’s a pity. I happen to want multiple viable choices for government. By taking themselves so far off the table as a choice they’re limiting everyone’s options.
BREAKING NEWS: Liberal Party leader sells out entire country’s future to save their own career.
Turnbulls NBN fuckery was a fucking disgrace.
Libs in the 90s(?) sold the copper network to Telstra. Only for Telstra to let it fall into disrepair.
Then these chucklefucks come up with the dumb fuck fibre + copper network, then have to pay Telstra for the copper network again. Just to have to fix it up, and run copper again in the fucking 2010s.
Only to just fucking rip it all out again to put fibre in as they should’ve done in the first place.
What a fucking waste, still salty about it to this day.
Any time someone says “nah turnbulls alright” I give them this story and they’re usually like “what a cunt” in the end.
You won’t often catch me defending Telstra, but here goes: they didn’t let the copper network fall into disrepair. They did genuinely maintain it at a standard that was pretty close to if not as good as what Telstra did. Those copper cables though were designed for telephony and never designed for the Internet. Some of that copper is over 100 years old. If all the lines needed to handle were plain old telephone, Telstra was doing ok.
We’ll never know whether Telecom would have gone to the Internet at all, as they were a telephone company. I can see Telecom in that alternate universe being all-in on mobile Internet though. It’s an interesting thought discussion.
The government has claimed that reaching net zero is impossible.
Meanwhile, South Australia is on track to reach net zero early, and other states are accelerating their uptake of renewable technologies.
This government is not compatible with reality.
Net zero includes products made from oil too, right? Like, plastic.
For this specific case it means net zero carbon emissions into the atmosphere. Plastic isn’t carbon in the atmosphere, so it isn’t included in these figures.
Net zero is just the first step anyway. Once we reach net zero, we still need to work really hard to get to actual zero, then we still need to find a way to be significantly carbon negative if we want to try to slow the worsening rate of climate related disasters.
Hopefully, somewhere in that process, oil products will become non-viable.
Actual zero is impossible. “Actual net zero” is what we should aim for (climate accounting with offsets can get a bit freaky)
That’s a much better way of phrasing it.
The current “net zero” targets fall a long way short of necessary, but I wasn’t sure of a term for the correct target.
Plastic isn’t carbon in the atmosphere, so it isn’t included in these figures.
Sure is. Either by fire or by sun. Not yet, but in the same way that wood is only temporary bound CO2. With the difference that plastic is made from oil, not from already circulating C.
Edit: i should read the rest first, before answering, my bad.
CO²
Just so you know, Lemmy actually supports subscript. Surround text with single tildes.
CO~2~gives CO2.
I like the way you phrased it as - all the elected members got to vote, but not the unelected ones for obvious reasons.
Reminds me of the story about returning planes and bullet holes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
Haha like they ever earnestly support any kind of climate target beyond selling off as much coal as possible to their pals
How can the party look at the success of the Teal movement, which is essentially ‘Liberals who care about climate’, and not see the picture being painted? Surely you should look at all the seats you didn’t win and ask “why?”
Because the party is more and more filled with right wingers as the moderates lose power.
“The reason we lost the last election was because we weren’t enough like Trump” mouths the Coalition with Gina Rineharts arm up there arse.
In fairness to Gina, I don’t think she owns a coal mine or gas plant, but your point is still valid. They aren’t doing this for the environment or the people.
Gina Rinehart’s oil and gas investments include private firms Warrego Energy in Western Australia and Senex Energy in Queensland
Na, she does. In her defense I think her investments aren’t the causal driver behind her whacko beliefs, i think it’s the contextual bubble she has always lived within.
Should change their name to Facebook Party because that appears to be who they’re targeting
Actually, Sky Party would be more accurate…
They must have a lot of faith in Gina being able to buy enough AI bots to swing elections for them without the Teal-voting former heartland seats or something.
We all do
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Gotta love “pledges”
Get all the credit for promising something you’ll do in the future, don’t actually have to do jack-shit when the time comes–simply abandon the pledge. It’s too late for those that bought into the hype to get any sort of refund for their votes or support etc.
Eh, they weren’t gonna win the next election anyway. This is just gonna reinforce that. Hopefully the fully implode by then.
