More people should rebel and hurt the companies like this. They’re laying people off not because there isn’t work, but because they don’t want to pay. All of the companies doing layoffs are also hiring, only they’ve created a market of desperation so they know they can give workers shitty deals.
Depending on the information this could be anything from basic technical information to all the state sponsored backdoor tooling they’ve implemented across their stack.
The former might “hurt” them on some level if chinese companies steal their designs and sell them as counterfeit, but the latter has security implications for anybody with intel gear from the poorest individuals to the wealthiest companies.
Just saying, you never know how this could impact things down the road.
Nah, I think the latter would be great. Sure, short term it could cause issues, though not really for the average person. China will use it to influence politics for those people maybe, but they don’t have any large use for it. The US government has far more use for it in regard to them, so that’s actually a threat. It would be a risk for the government and western companies.
The benefit of this being lost to China is they’d have to fix what backdoors they can, and maybe reconsider creating new ones. This is a huge benefit to American consumers. It only hurts those who asked for the backdoors in the first place, which is presumably the US government.
I don’t live in China, so I’m not really worried about China’s government. I live in the US, so I’m worried about the US government.
Zero chance of them not replacing or patching backdoors if another actor gets access.
China having a backdoor into everybody’s intel systems is terrible. Nobody should have backdoors into our computers. There are no impartial, apolitical or morally or ethically positive organization out there. Bias is literally everywhere.
I didn’t say China having it was bad. I said the US having it is significantly worse. What’s China going to use it for against me? They can’t arrest me or anything.
Maybe they use your system to generate illicit traffic that incriminates you, and then they offer to keep it secret or fix it so long as you go along with whatever objective you might be useful for.
I literally don’t care what nation it is though. They’re all evil. If there’s a chance for them to use anybody anywhere to further their goals, they’ll take it.
Dude i made a microprocessor out of some scrap wood and copper wire I found behind a dumpster.
It has a bad habit of catching fire but im pretty sure with a few billion dollars of investment ill be able to create the greatest computer chip ever made
There can be reverse situations (e.g. opportunistic individual delivering hard earned data from an honest company to American criminal groups) so its not black and white.
That being said “reap what you sow” can be a fair and just characterisation.
Good for them! I hope they won’t get caught.
More people should rebel and hurt the companies like this. They’re laying people off not because there isn’t work, but because they don’t want to pay. All of the companies doing layoffs are also hiring, only they’ve created a market of desperation so they know they can give workers shitty deals.
Intel and all the other big corpos deserve this.
Pretty sure this is one of those cases of chinese espionage.
Probably has been going on for a long time too.
I don’t really care who is hurting large corporations as long as they’re being hurt
Well, we don’t actually know what was taken.
Depending on the information this could be anything from basic technical information to all the state sponsored backdoor tooling they’ve implemented across their stack.
The former might “hurt” them on some level if chinese companies steal their designs and sell them as counterfeit, but the latter has security implications for anybody with intel gear from the poorest individuals to the wealthiest companies.
Just saying, you never know how this could impact things down the road.
Nah, I think the latter would be great. Sure, short term it could cause issues, though not really for the average person. China will use it to influence politics for those people maybe, but they don’t have any large use for it. The US government has far more use for it in regard to them, so that’s actually a threat. It would be a risk for the government and western companies.
The benefit of this being lost to China is they’d have to fix what backdoors they can, and maybe reconsider creating new ones. This is a huge benefit to American consumers. It only hurts those who asked for the backdoors in the first place, which is presumably the US government.
I don’t live in China, so I’m not really worried about China’s government. I live in the US, so I’m worried about the US government.
Zero chance of them not replacing or patching backdoors if another actor gets access.
China having a backdoor into everybody’s intel systems is terrible. Nobody should have backdoors into our computers. There are no impartial, apolitical or morally or ethically positive organization out there. Bias is literally everywhere.
I didn’t say China having it was bad. I said the US having it is significantly worse. What’s China going to use it for against me? They can’t arrest me or anything.
Use your imagination as if you’re a spy agency.
Maybe they use your system to generate illicit traffic that incriminates you, and then they offer to keep it secret or fix it so long as you go along with whatever objective you might be useful for.
I literally don’t care what nation it is though. They’re all evil. If there’s a chance for them to use anybody anywhere to further their goals, they’ll take it.
In a more sane world they’d reconsider the monstrous fucking back doors
It’s just infighting among big corpos, so one corpo’s loss is another’s gain. Big whoop
Good. Competition is good for the consumer.
Everybody laid off needs to make new companies together as well. Good ones not on stock market that are unionized
In cases like this it’s reaaaally hard to just start up a new competitor from nothing (assets wise). Building up production is not cheap.
Dude i made a microprocessor out of some scrap wood and copper wire I found behind a dumpster.
It has a bad habit of catching fire but im pretty sure with a few billion dollars of investment ill be able to create the greatest computer chip ever made
Here, I’ll back you with three fiddy. Now I expect a 1758956% increase of my investment in the next 3 years, else I’ll take my money elsewhere.
Deal. You fool.
Don’t be so quick! I’ll double his offer (but triple the demand for returns)
Idiots. I’m rich, I’m fucking rich!!!
Just steal a bunch of their files on the way out so you have a head start.
The files aren’t the problem. It’s the production lines that are expensive, so there will be a huge cost upfront.
They already thought of that possibility and have taken over the legal system to mitigate. Corporate patents & NDAs will have some complaints.
There can be reverse situations (e.g. opportunistic individual delivering hard earned data from an honest company to American criminal groups) so its not black and white.
That being said “reap what you sow” can be a fair and just characterisation.
You have better odds finding Sasquatch and a unicorn than you do finding an honest publically traded company.