feels a bit ironic to urge for making the conference vegetarian, if the critique is that animal agriculture is killing the planet and serving animal products sends the wrong message, then continuing to serve just some of them is like advocating for handing out smokeless tobacco products rather than cigarettes at a cancer conference…
yeah, it’s maybe better, but … not by much, right?
I guess vegetarian would be demonstrably better than including meat, but dairy and eggs are produced the same way with similar climate footprints as meat, no?
not to play purity politics, better is still better - just enjoying the irony I guess
This is obvious, but if he was serious he would have contacted them more than a few days before the conference
When I was young John was my favorite Beatle. But now that I’ve learned about the actual men, Paul was the only Beatle that had always been a decent person.
Wow, I just looked into it, and McCartney hasn’t really had any controversies. I was under the impression that they were all rather awful people. Any idea wny?
Well, he’s rich (probably close to a billionaire), and IIRC he’s a rabid copyright supporter (mostly because it benefits him). But now that I’ve tried to look up the source for that second claim, I can’t find it easily - maybe I’m confusing him with another Beatle.
It seems he is a proponent of copyright laws in the way that benefits artists over record studios and keeping AI away from his albums.
Do the members of the Beatles and Apple Corps have anything to do with each other today?
I mean are we really gonna drag this guy down with all the others because he is a proponent for copyright laws. That’s not even bad it’s the most luke warm take ever.
At the very least, him supporting copyright is as shitty as serving meat at a climate conference.
When your work has influence the course of pretty much all music that came after it I can absolutely understand wanting to at least maintain a semblance of control of your actual work.
I think there are a lot of problems with copyright law but I don’t have issue with an artist maintaining control over their own work while they’re alive.
Corporations in the other hand…
control over your own work
He can still control his hands, can’t he? He can still decide whether he goes on stage?
How is it his work if someone else learns to perform a song he wrote? How is it controlling his work to say someone can’t copy a recording of someone else playing that song?
You realize that those rules also protect a lesser known artist getting their work stolen from a far more influential artist too right? It’s generally a good thing that a super successful artist can’t just copy a lesser known song and reap the benefits for it.
John was a fucking bully
Was Ringo a dick too?
He said in an interview that he beat his 1st wife so much that he understood why she cheated on him with George.
…that will do it.
Linda McCartney vegetarian sausages, pies etc remain some of the tastiest alternatives available in the supermarket.
One of my favourite memories from university was going around like 4 different supermarkets late at night to find Linda McCartney sausages etc. for a big student barbecue the next day. My friend had made an online order that had been blocked by his bank due to the abnormally large value, and he didn’t learn of this until the day the delivery was meant to arrive.
At the barbecue, I said “well, I best try one of these bloody sausages after all we went through to get them”. My friend quipped “no, they’re not bloody — they’re vegetarian, that’s the point”. They were indeed quite tasty
Yoko Ono tracks also remain some of the
bestalternatives to Beatles music.
I don’t care what virtues they’re playing at. The real question is are they doing anything substantive? Also no.
Some will. Some won’t.
The summit isn’t even finished and you’re already doomer
Because these summits have any kind of track record of accomplishing anything? Talk, talk, fly, talk, fly …
They literally tore down kilometers of rainforest just for this summit. It was over before it started.
Glad we can all agree choosing to meet up and be productive is counter productive
Why do they have to meet in person at all?
How about they discuss how damaging so much pointless business travel has come back in the era of technology that works very well to host meetings virtually.
Because it’s effective.
It’s too bad it’s impossible to meet other people in person without clear-cutting rainforest.
Ikr, my homies and I have deforested a couple hectares at this point. Not very sustainable imo
Sorry, sometimes I forget that other people have a hard time parsing sarcasm.
You don’t say
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Meat has been shown to have a much larger (negative) impact on the climate and the environment (https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/adb7f2 ). The meat industry has suppressed these with their own disinformation campaigns (for example https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/apr/11/pr-campaign-may-fuelled-food-study-backlash-leaked-document-eat-lancet , https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14693062.2025.2460603 )
So it’s actually big meats accomplishment that meat eaters rage against vegans.
Despite meat being a relatively small factor in what exactly? It’s upwards of 15-20% of global GHGs.
Veganism is about not exploiting animals. The fact that it’s better for the environment is just a bonus.
The pros just keep on piling up.
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People also have to breathe. They just don’t have to breathe cigarette smoke.
But they don’t have to eat meat. And given that one of the big challenges of tackling climate change is foregoing convenience for sustainability, I think it would have been an appropriate choice.
You don’t need meat for protein.
Wasn’t there a cow pill/enzyme that stopped them farting so much?
How would that stop deforestation?
COP 30 is in Brazil, where one of the biggest issues is deforestation of the amazon rainforest.
One of the bigges causes of deforestation in Brazil is animal agriculture, namely for cows.
How does that fix the fact of water waste and pollution?
I was just asking because I couldn’t remember. But apparently everything here is some big declaration of politics, worldviews, and beliefs.
Yeah, although they mostly burp the methane: https://www.nature.com/articles/d42473-024-00084-5
