• Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    4 hours ago

    Though I don’t feel bad for her, I would argue we should try to be nice. I’d rather have her see the light for the mistakes she made than her continuing being on the side of evil

    We need more people on the right side

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      3 hours ago

      She hasn’t changed. She’ll vote for the next Trump who they believe will be more surgical when it comes to hurting people they don’t like. This is her basically telling the party to reduce the collateral damage. The ideology that brought her to support them hasn’t changed.

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      59 minutes ago

      She won’t, she will betray you the moment it benefits her.

      She will rat you and whoever you are organized with to the state in hopes to regain her status.

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      3 hours ago

      In most free societies, an individual’s political beliefs are viewed as product of their circumstance, and since circumstances change for people all the time, their politics are also expected to change. The very concept of democracy revolves around the idea that people are able to change their opinions. This idea that politics is some sort immutable personality trait is only found among authoritarians because their ideologies are so rigid that they don’t leave any room for nuance.

      Your opinion here is shouldn’t even be argued. It should be the standard for any individual who genuinely believes in the concept of democracy.

    • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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      4 hours ago

      She’s not and will never be an ally, she only voted to preserve her privilege with the hope of ruining the lives of those she considered undeserving. now she has lost some of her privilege, and now it is a problem for her.

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        3 hours ago

        That’s literally how politics is supposed to work. People are a product of circumstance, and since there are a lot of people with different circumstances that constantly change, there’s going to be a competition of power. Democracy, as a concept, exists to facilitate this competition peacefully. People vote for their best interests, and politicians compete with each other to convince voters that they understand their circumstances and will do what’s in their best interest. If a voter feels like a politicians isn’t representing them anymore, they move to a different politicians that represents them better.

        You have to be some type of authoritarian to embrace the idea that people are inherently evil or their politics is immutable. If you reject the notion that people can change their views, compromise, or cooperate with each other then you’re fundamentally at odds with democracy, and YOU are the problem.

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          1 hour ago

          That is if you assume everyone is selfish and cares only for themselves. Solidarity exists. she only cared about herself, she did not care at all for anyone else who Trump promised to hurt.

          This is not how politics works, and if no one has empathy for anyone else and only cares from themselves, then society itself wont work.

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        4 hours ago

        Yeah, youre just her with a different coloured shirt on, mate. Youre just a hateful, spiteful little person spewing popular buzzwords like your internet uparrows mean anything.

        I mean, whats your endgame here? Round them up and deport them… You either pull your head out of your ass and accept that people are just people, and you forgive. Or, you keep on being a knob, and see where that gets you. Spoiler alert, nowhere good.

        Time to put the digital pitchforks down, and start fucking talking.

        • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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          1 hour ago

          Nah, she is not and will never be an ally. the moment things are OK for her again she will be fine throwing us under the bus again. We need solidarity and a better country for everyone, not just for her or for “me”.

          I cared when minorities who arent me were tormented. every decent human did. she did not, she celebrated and caused that.

          What I want? to her to stay without friends or family and society to heal but her to die alone because everyone should know the horrors she intentionally caused on everyone.

          If trump steps down and becomes broke and poor and suddenly ask for help to the poor, would you accept him?

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            60 minutes ago

            Dude, all you did was spout popular online thing. You dont give a fuck about the people who just want to earn a living, who dont have the time to worry about everyone else. You just make some wild claim about them, never once considering their circumstances. Talk about being privileged…

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              49 minutes ago

              I work my ass off for local mutual aid to feed those trump has left behind and it truly breaks my heart knowing I will soon won’t be able afford food for that, as I can barely afford to feed myself. That’s besides all the marches and weekly protests and organising, and canvasing…

              Do you really think everyone is just selfish and cares only for themselves?

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          3 hours ago

          You can’t even bring together people who aren’t on Trump sides, so you are failing on your messaging from the start when it comes to your big proclamation of talking it out.

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            58 minutes ago

            You dont have to come together, you just have to stop being cunts to each other. None of you are fucking evil. Just fucking talk!

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              51 minutes ago

              You aren’t even doing a good job of getting non Trump supporters to agree with you.

              And if you don’t see supporting someone who wants to be a dictator, wants to get rid of minorities, hires white nationalists like Hegseth, threatens Canada’s independence, bombs Venezuelan boats, and has ties to the files as evil then what exactly is evil to you?

              Because a person who endorses that type of person and only complains when they are financially affected, but were happily cheering on the policies before hand sure seem evil to me. This isn’t like some disagreement about which food is better. What they fundamentally were in support of is red flags.

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          Was this your word choice for trying to get people to work together? Demeaning someone for demeaning someone while demanding they work together might not be the best route either. But I agree we need to find ways to build bridges or else we will never be able to make things better. As for deporting people though, there are some harsh actions that may be needed. I’m not saying it is the best route but the next president arresting supreme Court judges for taking bribes, executing them for treason without due process could cause chaos. It could also help pass legislation that makes the president not immune to illegal acts as the supreme Court ruled. It would force the legislature to make abuse of powers and more restrictions on the executive branch which to be honest, needs to have its powers shrunk drastically. The point of a Republic is for the peoples representatives to be empowered to write legislation that helps advance/give opportunities to as many people as possible supposedly “equally”, or at least fairly. But our executive branch having the ability to make executive orders completely undercuts all of that. If we don’t do away with executive orders I think if an executive order is issued it should run side by side with an impeachment. Where then they are voted on by Congress and if half of Congress votes no confidence that it was completely necessary for the safety of the nation, the President is immediately removed. (Different rules than impeachment/removal) obviously

          Aka, if there is an attack or something, they can make an executive order to respond before waiting for congress, but if congress feels it was misused, they are gone. No one should care who the president is, they should be a police officer in my mind. What they arrest someone for shouldn’t be their choice, nor any punishment be their choice. If you are found to fake evidence it should also be viewed as treason. Which would make any party fight to do away with capital punishment pretty quick, because they won’t want 7 members of their party getting the electric chair when they get caught up in lying to the public, like they do daily.

          • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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            1 hour ago

            You cant work with someone who’s only concern is herself. she will throw you under the bus the moment she can.

            We need solidarity, not monsters who are now suffering the consequences of the policies they celebrated.

            Do you think we should have mercy for the Germans who supported the Nazis and celebrated the genocide but lost everything during the war?

            I am not saying to kill her, just that we should build a better world with our her consent. Let her live the rest of her life without family or friends and hated by everyone in the community.

            We must work together. but we cannot work with people who have created this nightmare, who celebrated it, and are only sad when they horrors inevitable reached them. not just a moral purity stance. they will betray you the moment it benefits them.

            You cannot build bridges with them, and if you do, don’t complain when they throw you under the bus.

            Now that being against trump is being defined as terrorism. you cannot bring in a MAGA, because they will rat you and your friends out in hopes to regain their status.

            Sorry if I am not at my most eloquent, it is late and I am very tired.