Last time this primary vs general was paid attention to (internationally at least), it was because Bernie was about to out-primary Hillary and then the Democrats figuratively put their thumb on the scale and gave it to Hillary.
I absolutely understand even a dead rat would be better president than the Pedophile in Chief you have now. But the people of the USA barely have a very indirect path to elect their representatives… this is a democracy like Cheetos are “food”
Okay. I meant to imply that any democracy (practically by definition) is based on compromise, which is why I said that straight up instead of snarkily (and unhelpfully) bashing the USA.
As for the Hillary-Bernie thing… At then end of the primary, Hillary had like 3 million more votes than Bernie did. Notably, Bernie conceeded to Hillary and even campaigned for her, because he knew that she was much better than trump, and democracy is inherently a compromise.
Okay. I meant to imply that any democracy (practically by definition) is based on compromise, which is why I said that straight up instead of snarkily (and unhelpfully) bashing the USA.
I’m sorry but not recognizing the flavour of democracy the USA has is broken is a problem. It’s like telling starving kids of Gaza that broccoli is a nutritious snack… that may be true but the issue is not they are picky eaters, the problem is that there is no food
As for the Hillary-Bernie thing… At then end of the primary, Hillary had like 3 million more votes than Bernie did. Notably, Bernie conceeded to Hillary and even campaigned for her, because he knew that she was much better than trump, and democracy is inherently a compromise.
…not recognizing the flavour of democracy the USA has is broken is a problem.
I never claimed that democracy in the US wasn’t broken. If you think I did, please point specific statements.
Here you go…
How many votes did Bernie get in the primary, and how many did Hillary get? I can understand being upset about the results of the primary if Bernie had received more votes than Hillary, and then the DNC nominated Hillary anyway, but that didn’t happen. He lost the primary, and thus he was not the candidate. He knows that democracy is a compromisea, and he not just voted for, but publicly supported and campaigned for Hillary after he lost the nomination.
It’s an expression… I am not sorry, I have nothing to be sorry for, neither do you, we are just debating
I never claimed that democracy in the US wasn’t broken. If you think I did, please point specific statements.
You offered a solution based on a working democracy which is not the case here… why do you offer one if you know it won’t work?
Again, following my analogy… why would you offer broccoli for the kids in Gaza when there is none?
How many votes did Bernie get in the primary, and how many did Hillary get?..
How many votes did Bernie lost when the Democrats said Hillary would be chosen regardless? From the link you did not read:
The Cook Political Report estimated late last month that Clinton’s early advantage with superdelegates meant that she effectively started the race eight points above Sanders in the race to get enough delegates to secure the nomination.
You offered a solution based on a working democracy which is not the case here… why do you offer one if you know it won’t work?
Please provide specifics, otherwise you are just talking around what I actually wrote.
I did read your link. Do two things for me here. First, look up how many votes (not delegates but votes) Bernie and Hillary got in the primary. Second, please recognize that I am talking about direct votes for a candidate, not the delegates. Let me know if you think a working democracy is one where the less popular candidate gets the nomination.
Please provide specifics, otherwise you are just talking around what I actually wrote.
You recommended this:
So go vote for who you want in the primaries, and vote against who you don’t want in the general.
And I claimed that sucks because there is no real democracy (even in the primaries).
Again I repeat (as many others while you keep on ignoring them in this thread), the problem here is that you keep on painting a picture where people have a say which is not the case. People’s desires during primaries (where you claim people should vote for who they like) is consistently manipulated and slanted whichever way the party wants… then you want those same people to support the party that just wipe their hypothetical ass with the people’s opinion.
Look at Mamdani’s run for Mayor… the very Democrats did everything in their power to torpedo his candidacy and campaign… yet you expect people to vote for whichever stooge they tell them to vote for
So go vote for who you want in the primaries, and vote against who you don’t want in the general.
Alright. Please highlight in that statement where I said that the US was a perfectly functional and not systemically broken democracy?
Again I repeat (as many others while you keep on ignoring them in this thread), the problem here is that you keep on painting a picture where people have a say which is not the case.
Funny that you wrote this… And in the very next paragraph mentioned Mamdani winning despite the opposition from political insiders.
I don’t think you are in a position to judge the fairness of an election process, as you seem convinced that Bernie should have been the DNC nominee despite losing by 3 million votes in the primary ( and again, that is votes not delegates) And yes, I’m going to call you out on that until you walk it back.
Alright. Please highlight in that statement where I said that the US was a perfectly functional and not systemically broken democracy?
Ok bud, you are just being pedantic now… I have explained it 1000x times…
The gist is, what you said makes sense in a working democracy… even by your own admission, the USA does not have that… ergo, what you said is not really a good enough advice.
Funny that you wrote this… And in the very next paragraph mentioned Mamdani winning despite the opposition from political insiders
Correct, to highlight that you are asking people to compromise with the Democrats when the Democrats would not compromise with the people.
This is all plain to see… you just want to “be right” for internet points
I meant to imply the USA does not have one.
Last time this primary vs general was paid attention to (internationally at least), it was because Bernie was about to out-primary Hillary and then the Democrats figuratively put their thumb on the scale and gave it to Hillary.
I absolutely understand even a dead rat would be better president than the Pedophile in Chief you have now. But the people of the USA barely have a very indirect path to elect their representatives… this is a democracy like Cheetos are “food”
Okay. I meant to imply that any democracy (practically by definition) is based on compromise, which is why I said that straight up instead of snarkily (and unhelpfully) bashing the USA.
As for the Hillary-Bernie thing… At then end of the primary, Hillary had like 3 million more votes than Bernie did. Notably, Bernie conceeded to Hillary and even campaigned for her, because he knew that she was much better than trump, and democracy is inherently a compromise.
I’m sorry but not recognizing the flavour of democracy the USA has is broken is a problem. It’s like telling starving kids of Gaza that broccoli is a nutritious snack… that may be true but the issue is not they are picky eaters, the problem is that there is no food
Here you go: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/why-sanders-new-hampshire-victory-wasn-t-so-huge-n516066
No you aren’t, don’t lie.
I never claimed that democracy in the US wasn’t broken. If you think I did, please point specific statements.
How many votes did Bernie get in the primary, and how many did Hillary get? I can understand being upset about the results of the primary if Bernie had received more votes than Hillary, and then the DNC nominated Hillary anyway, but that didn’t happen. He lost the primary, and thus he was not the candidate. He knows that democracy is a compromisea, and he not just voted for, but publicly supported and campaigned for Hillary after he lost the nomination.
It’s an expression… I am not sorry, I have nothing to be sorry for, neither do you, we are just debating
You offered a solution based on a working democracy which is not the case here… why do you offer one if you know it won’t work? Again, following my analogy… why would you offer broccoli for the kids in Gaza when there is none?
How many votes did Bernie lost when the Democrats said Hillary would be chosen regardless? From the link you did not read:
Please provide specifics, otherwise you are just talking around what I actually wrote.
I did read your link. Do two things for me here. First, look up how many votes (not delegates but votes) Bernie and Hillary got in the primary. Second, please recognize that I am talking about direct votes for a candidate, not the delegates. Let me know if you think a working democracy is one where the less popular candidate gets the nomination.
You recommended this:
And I claimed that sucks because there is no real democracy (even in the primaries).
Again I repeat (as many others while you keep on ignoring them in this thread), the problem here is that you keep on painting a picture where people have a say which is not the case. People’s desires during primaries (where you claim people should vote for who they like) is consistently manipulated and slanted whichever way the party wants… then you want those same people to support the party that just wipe their hypothetical ass with the people’s opinion.
Look at Mamdani’s run for Mayor… the very Democrats did everything in their power to torpedo his candidacy and campaign… yet you expect people to vote for whichever stooge they tell them to vote for
Alright. Please highlight in that statement where I said that the US was a perfectly functional and not systemically broken democracy?
Funny that you wrote this… And in the very next paragraph mentioned Mamdani winning despite the opposition from political insiders.
I don’t think you are in a position to judge the fairness of an election process, as you seem convinced that Bernie should have been the DNC nominee despite losing by 3 million votes in the primary ( and again, that is votes not delegates) And yes, I’m going to call you out on that until you walk it back.
Ok bud, you are just being pedantic now… I have explained it 1000x times…
The gist is, what you said makes sense in a working democracy… even by your own admission, the USA does not have that… ergo, what you said is not really a good enough advice.
Correct, to highlight that you are asking people to compromise with the Democrats when the Democrats would not compromise with the people.
This is all plain to see… you just want to “be right” for internet points