I’ll feed the troll…… you’re right that “bad guy” can be subjective, but please, tell how how facism isn’t bad? That’s the difference. One is subjective the other is quite objective.
That’s kind of missing the point. You can object to someone’s actions even if they say their actions are for a righteous cause. Say someone says they are anti-PETA, and the response is that if they object to the ethical treatment of animals, that must mean they support animal abuse. It’s a disingenuous argument because what the first person meant was possibly not that they object to the literal meaning of the name of the organization, but instead that they have an issue with things people calling themselves members have been doing and saying, and it’s being deliberately misinterpreted.
Now maybe that actually was what they meant, or they meant both; there are people who support animal abuse. Maybe they are wrong to be anti-PETA, for reasons other than the name. But that type of argument is still a dishonest smear aimed at unconditionally rejecting all possible criticism.
They’re not saying fascism isn’t bad, they’re saying that any group can call themselves whatever they want; the name itself means literally nothing, and so shouldn’t be the foundation of any argument about why opposing it is bad.
In other words, ‘they’re fascist because they’re against the group that calls themselves anti-fascist’ is a moronic argument, and should be replaced with the more direct, and more accurate, ‘they’re fascist because they do XYZ fascist acts’. Forget the name, focus on the acts.
After all, you understand that opposing someone who self-labels as “pro-life” doesn’t make you “anti-life”, right?
The label could be accurate, or could be inaccurate, but the bottom line is that the name does not define the group, and every group that names itself is going to choose a name that makes them look/sound like the good guys—both benevolent and malevolent groups.
Facism has a clear definition. “Bad guy” does not.
fascism
/făsh′ĭz″əm/
noun
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.
A political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government; – opposed to democracy and liberalism.
An authoritarian system of government under absolute control of a single dictator, allowing no political opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism
A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights.
Okay. Does your leftist movement NOT fit all of these? Depending on which flavor you are, it probably either easily does, or fits close enough with some twisting.
After all, its not like even maimstrema media is above lying to pressure judges/the public to imprison or kill people. Remember when The Independent reported that Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black people?
All three people who attacked him first, and got killed for it in self defense, were white. Including the child rapist.
This is the easiest thing in the world to look up, go do it now. You’ve labored under the misinformation that Rittenhouse attacked black people but that was an actual, easily verified lie. You need to start thinking about what you think you know and where it came from.
Have you ever even looked into anarchism once? Or did you mean to call out a specific authoritarian leftism? Cause right now you are generalizing too hard to be saying anything.
I’ll feed the troll…… you’re right that “bad guy” can be subjective, but please, tell how how facism isn’t bad? That’s the difference. One is subjective the other is quite objective.
That’s kind of missing the point. You can object to someone’s actions even if they say their actions are for a righteous cause. Say someone says they are anti-PETA, and the response is that if they object to the ethical treatment of animals, that must mean they support animal abuse. It’s a disingenuous argument because what the first person meant was possibly not that they object to the literal meaning of the name of the organization, but instead that they have an issue with things people calling themselves members have been doing and saying, and it’s being deliberately misinterpreted.
Now maybe that actually was what they meant, or they meant both; there are people who support animal abuse. Maybe they are wrong to be anti-PETA, for reasons other than the name. But that type of argument is still a dishonest smear aimed at unconditionally rejecting all possible criticism.
They’re not saying fascism isn’t bad, they’re saying that any group can call themselves whatever they want; the name itself means literally nothing, and so shouldn’t be the foundation of any argument about why opposing it is bad.
In other words, ‘they’re fascist because they’re against the group that calls themselves anti-fascist’ is a moronic argument, and should be replaced with the more direct, and more accurate, ‘they’re fascist because they do XYZ fascist acts’. Forget the name, focus on the acts.
After all, you understand that opposing someone who self-labels as “pro-life” doesn’t make you “anti-life”, right?
The label could be accurate, or could be inaccurate, but the bottom line is that the name does not define the group, and every group that names itself is going to choose a name that makes them look/sound like the good guys—both benevolent and malevolent groups.
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You see, it works like this: First I say you’re a fascist. Then I imprison or kill you. I’m antifascist, hooray!
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If youre a citizen, isn’t your wife legal by marriage? Are you in the US illegally?
Facism has a clear definition. “Bad guy” does not.
fascism /făsh′ĭz″əm/
noun
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
A political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government; – opposed to democracy and liberalism.
An authoritarian system of government under absolute control of a single dictator, allowing no political opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism
A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights.
Okay. Does your leftist movement NOT fit all of these? Depending on which flavor you are, it probably either easily does, or fits close enough with some twisting.
After all, its not like even maimstrema media is above lying to pressure judges/the public to imprison or kill people. Remember when The Independent reported that Kyle Rittenhouse shot three black people?
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All three people who attacked him first, and got killed for it in self defense, were white. Including the child rapist.
This is the easiest thing in the world to look up, go do it now. You’ve labored under the misinformation that Rittenhouse attacked black people but that was an actual, easily verified lie. You need to start thinking about what you think you know and where it came from.
Have you ever even looked into anarchism once? Or did you mean to call out a specific authoritarian leftism? Cause right now you are generalizing too hard to be saying anything.