• mjr@infosec.pub
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    18 hours ago

    Most of those still rely on some company to host a server, except Briar, and in practice most Briar users are still relying on companies to access Tor to connect.

    They are more robust, not perfect.

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      18 hours ago

      None of them require a company to host a server. That was my entire point.

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        18 hours ago

        Explain how you’d use Delta Chat without a server, please? I may have misunderstood its need for a mailserver when I tried it.

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            18 hours ago

            How do you even get a non-company-hosted server now? Public bodies don’t host services for outsiders much any more and aren’t really safe places for privacy in this type of case anyway.

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              17 hours ago

              You run your own or just choose from a variety of publicly-available ones.

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                17 hours ago

                Run your own? Great, but you’ll almost certainly be getting a company to connect it up.

                Publicly available from whom? Companies!

                I may sometimes wish community-owned internet became the norm, but it didn’t, so companies are involved almost everywhere.

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                  17 hours ago

                  I run several of these services with no company involved.

                  Publicly available from, as I said, individuals.

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                    16 hours ago

                    I’m sceptical. Name me a server and I’ll show you a company involved.