Surely someone born in Ukraine and upbrought there is Ukrainian?
Not if they keep speaking Russian and follow Russian norms and customs, they are still Russian. There are plenty of people in the Baltic states who don’t speak the languages of their corresponding countries but instead mostly use Russian. We do not consider them ethnically Lithuanian, Latvian or Estonian, but Russian and treating them otherwise creates a warped perspective of their history.
This was directed to happen this way by economic authorities using neoliberal shock therapy that killed millions.
And yet some countries did better in the transition than others.
Literally no other capitalist country developed, bring up an example otherwise and explain me how Lithuania would have developed so much better than Guatemala, Mexico or Brazil because Lithuanians are white
Finland. During the interwar period, it was a poorer country than Estonia and the gap between us as seen now is considered as what Soviet occupation took from us.
You keep refusing to admit that you’d be a Nazi colony. Come on, argue against this, don’t keep avoiding it. Tell me how Lithuania would have avoided being ethnically cleansed and enslaved if it weren’t for the Soviets.
Finland is now with a far right government, and in this past year they’ve put hundreds of thousands of people into poverty through austerity policy. The trend of European nations is downwards, and it has been since the USSR stopped being the beacon of worker rights that it was. Now that we don’t need some shiny microstates as examples of social democracy against communism, we can happily let them rot!
Just because one option was bad and the other option was worse, doesn’t make the first option good.
Tell me how Lithuania would have avoided being ethnically cleansed and enslaved if it weren’t for the Soviets.
We were ethnically cleansed and enslaved. By the Soviets, yes.
Finland is now with a far right government, and in this past year they’ve put hundreds of thousands of people into poverty through austerity policy.
They still fit your definition though. A non-communist country that industrialized.
The trend of European nations is downwards, and it has been since the USSR stopped being the beacon of worker rights that it was. Now that we don’t need some shiny microstates as examples of social democracy against communism, we can happily let them rot!
The trend downwards was caused by the Russian state actors meddling in our information space, but it sure is convenient to ignore that.
Not if they keep speaking Russian and follow Russian norms and customs, they are still Russian. There are plenty of people in the Baltic states who don’t speak the languages of their corresponding countries but instead mostly use Russian. We do not consider them ethnically Lithuanian, Latvian or Estonian, but Russian and treating them otherwise creates a warped perspective of their history.
And yet some countries did better in the transition than others.
Finland. During the interwar period, it was a poorer country than Estonia and the gap between us as seen now is considered as what Soviet occupation took from us.
You keep refusing to admit that you’d be a Nazi colony. Come on, argue against this, don’t keep avoiding it. Tell me how Lithuania would have avoided being ethnically cleansed and enslaved if it weren’t for the Soviets.
Finland is now with a far right government, and in this past year they’ve put hundreds of thousands of people into poverty through austerity policy. The trend of European nations is downwards, and it has been since the USSR stopped being the beacon of worker rights that it was. Now that we don’t need some shiny microstates as examples of social democracy against communism, we can happily let them rot!
Just because one option was bad and the other option was worse, doesn’t make the first option good.
We were ethnically cleansed and enslaved. By the Soviets, yes.
They still fit your definition though. A non-communist country that industrialized.
The trend downwards was caused by the Russian state actors meddling in our information space, but it sure is convenient to ignore that.