Net Material Product (NMP) was the main macroeconomic indicator
Because nobody uses it anymore?
Let’s compare instead stuff like tons of steel produced,
Why would you measure steel production in a country with no iron or coal mining?
number of housing units built, homelessness, access to healthcare, emigration rates… you know, the things actually affecting humans, not “line go up”.
I could try to find some data for you to cherry pick and make conclusions that agree with your ideology but at this point, why would I bother?
Stalin said in a speech
Stalin also purged a lot of competent people and that made Hitler attack earlier too.
Soviet Union saved most of your people from slavery and genocide.
Just so he could do his own slavery and genocide?
Had there been no rapid collectivization and industrialization, you wouldn’t have been born because your ancestors would have been entirely genocided by Nazis.
It’s easy to claim what would happen if something didn’t, but fundamentally we will never know. If Stalin didn’t do his purges or if Germany overextended into Siberia, or if Hitler was replaced with a less crazy leader. I could use the same argument: I’m sorry if you think I’m stupid, the teachers of my teachers died in Siberia.
Surely capitalism is working wonderfully for your country!
It is. Of the million people who left, 200-300K were ethnic minorities, especially Soviet colonists, despite that unlike other Baltic states, we offered them Lithuanian citizenship. Nobody misses them.
Of the rest, a lot of people still have ties to this country and send back money, sometimes buy property. The 2000-2007 economic boom was mostly caused by that money. Also, our migration statistics are improving. Migration from third countries is increasing rapidly too.
Net migration to and from Lithuania:
Re-immigration (green) vs immigration (blue) by foreigners:
Except it’s not even capitalism as you imagine it. We still have a lot of regulations, high taxation, massive safety nets, affordable education and the means to buy property. Lithuania is a poor country that is getting richer.
Most of you ”socialists that defend Soviet Union" are from rich countries that are getting poorer. But socialism as imagined by Soviet Union was a horrible system made by horrible people and it will not save you.
And every time you use the example of Soviet Union as an example of how great socialism is, your cause actually loses.
200-300K were ethnic minorities, especially Soviet colonists, despite that unlike other Baltic states, we offered them Lithuanian citizenship. Nobody misses them.
Aaaand that’s where we stop. I don’t discuss socialism with overtly racist people. There’s no point arguing in good faith against people guided by racist beliefs. Burn in hell, bigot prick. I pray that the next time fascist want to exterminate you and your family you won’t have alienated everyone who might protect you.
Should the people who were colonised mourn when colonisers return home?
I’m not racist in any way, shape or form. I have friends from every corner of the globe.
Burn in hell, bigot prick. I pray that the next time fascist want to exterminate you and your family you won’t have alienated everyone who might protect you.
And the next time the socialist revolution comes, I hope the purges come for you, too.
Because nobody uses it anymore?
Why would you measure steel production in a country with no iron or coal mining?
I could try to find some data for you to cherry pick and make conclusions that agree with your ideology but at this point, why would I bother?
Stalin also purged a lot of competent people and that made Hitler attack earlier too.
Just so he could do his own slavery and genocide?
It’s easy to claim what would happen if something didn’t, but fundamentally we will never know. If Stalin didn’t do his purges or if Germany overextended into Siberia, or if Hitler was replaced with a less crazy leader. I could use the same argument: I’m sorry if you think I’m stupid, the teachers of my teachers died in Siberia.
It is. Of the million people who left, 200-300K were ethnic minorities, especially Soviet colonists, despite that unlike other Baltic states, we offered them Lithuanian citizenship. Nobody misses them.
Of the rest, a lot of people still have ties to this country and send back money, sometimes buy property. The 2000-2007 economic boom was mostly caused by that money. Also, our migration statistics are improving. Migration from third countries is increasing rapidly too.
Net migration to and from Lithuania:
Re-immigration (green) vs immigration (blue) by foreigners:
Except it’s not even capitalism as you imagine it. We still have a lot of regulations, high taxation, massive safety nets, affordable education and the means to buy property. Lithuania is a poor country that is getting richer.
Most of you ”socialists that defend Soviet Union" are from rich countries that are getting poorer. But socialism as imagined by Soviet Union was a horrible system made by horrible people and it will not save you.
And every time you use the example of Soviet Union as an example of how great socialism is, your cause actually loses.
Aaaand that’s where we stop. I don’t discuss socialism with overtly racist people. There’s no point arguing in good faith against people guided by racist beliefs. Burn in hell, bigot prick. I pray that the next time fascist want to exterminate you and your family you won’t have alienated everyone who might protect you.
Should the people who were colonised mourn when colonisers return home?
I’m not racist in any way, shape or form. I have friends from every corner of the globe.
And the next time the socialist revolution comes, I hope the purges come for you, too.