It’s probably a little overly simplistic to think of it as being “established” like that. Instead, multiple different elements of the holiday, which might originate in different places at different times and radiate out in different ways.
Shops and media which profit from increased sales and viewership. Same as the recent “black Friday sales” nonsense despite the fact that we don’t have Thanksgiving.
Incidentally, I wouldn’t mind Thanksgiving. It’d need adapting to the Australian context, but it feels a hell of a lot less commercial than Hallowe’en…which is probably why there hasn’t been any attempt to bring it here.
Dude Thanksgiving is like the most imperialist holiday, it’s pretty much American propaganda about how the native Americans were totally cool with colonialism and in the modern context is about buying lots of excessive food. Christmas is the capitalist day but Thanksgiving is not much better
American or Canadian propaganda that was slapped on 1/12 or 1/13 of the entire Native American harvest festivals. I don’t remember if there were 12 or 13, but their version of Thanksgiving happened that many times per year.
We just took one of those days and slapped a coat of Union Jack paint all over it. That’s also why Canada celebrates their Thanksgiving earlier than we do.
Thanksgiving is not celebrated correctly anywhere it is celebrated. It originally was a set of 12 or 13 harvest festivals, celebrated by the six nations, that the English settlers appropriated a single one each. That is literally a celebration of imperialism. Watch Addams Family Values if you want to see an appropriate representation of what thanksgiving should look like.
The shops aren’t the ones going around saying ‘trick or treat!’. The kids / families are doing it because they enjoy it. And you’re determined to be a killjoy for some weird reason.
I mean i get that they dislike the whole crass commercialisation, the shops gleefully diving in and whoring for MONEEYYYY but to bitch and whine about “americaaa” when the first recorded Australian celebration was in like 1856 by a bunch of scottish immigrants is just asinine.
Incidentally, I wouldn’t mind Thanksgiving. It’d need adapting to the Australian context
You mean Australia Day. You’re describing Australia Day.
Also thanksgiving is like THE most american fucking thing outside of superbowl and genocidal to boot…but you wanna bring that in while having big problems with an organic creep of hallowe’en. Which has been celebrated in Australia for two hundred freaking years.
Well, this got me thinking…
I assume holidays are not established worldwide at the moment they are created. At least not instantaneously.
Which in turn would mean all of the holidays are being established in a limited area, and then being spread.
Would it be possible to calculate an average propagation speed of each given holiday in earth surface conditions (atmospheric air, 1g gravity etc.)?
I suddenly have an idea for a themed version of Risk…
I think the internet broke that possibility. Things and ideas don’t spread “naturally” anymore.
It’s probably a little overly simplistic to think of it as being “established” like that. Instead, multiple different elements of the holiday, which might originate in different places at different times and radiate out in different ways.
Then by your own logic, why are you blaming this entirely on the US?
I’m not. I’m blaming capitalism and cultural imperialism, for the forced import of a piece of American culture.
Who’s ‘forcing’ it? It’s spreading because people have fun with it.
Shops and media which profit from increased sales and viewership. Same as the recent “black Friday sales” nonsense despite the fact that we don’t have Thanksgiving.
Incidentally, I wouldn’t mind Thanksgiving. It’d need adapting to the Australian context, but it feels a hell of a lot less commercial than Hallowe’en…which is probably why there hasn’t been any attempt to bring it here.
Dude Thanksgiving is like the most imperialist holiday, it’s pretty much American propaganda about how the native Americans were totally cool with colonialism and in the modern context is about buying lots of excessive food. Christmas is the capitalist day but Thanksgiving is not much better
American or Canadian propaganda that was slapped on 1/12 or 1/13 of the entire Native American harvest festivals. I don’t remember if there were 12 or 13, but their version of Thanksgiving happened that many times per year.
We just took one of those days and slapped a coat of Union Jack paint all over it. That’s also why Canada celebrates their Thanksgiving earlier than we do.
Thanksgiving is not celebrated correctly anywhere it is celebrated. It originally was a set of 12 or 13 harvest festivals, celebrated by the six nations, that the English settlers appropriated a single one each. That is literally a celebration of imperialism. Watch Addams Family Values if you want to see an appropriate representation of what thanksgiving should look like.
The shops aren’t the ones going around saying ‘trick or treat!’. The kids / families are doing it because they enjoy it. And you’re determined to be a killjoy for some weird reason.
I mean i get that they dislike the whole crass commercialisation, the shops gleefully diving in and whoring for MONEEYYYY but to bitch and whine about “americaaa” when the first recorded Australian celebration was in like 1856 by a bunch of scottish immigrants is just asinine.
You mean Australia Day. You’re describing Australia Day.
Also thanksgiving is like THE most american fucking thing outside of superbowl and genocidal to boot…but you wanna bring that in while having big problems with an organic creep of hallowe’en. Which has been celebrated in Australia for two hundred freaking years.
Fuck’s sake