The Netherlands is set to get its first openly gay prime minister, Rob Jetten, following strong results in the country's recent election, which saw his party gain 17 seats, and Geert Wilders' far-right party lose 11.
The Far-Right really took off in the Netherlands under the leadership of Pim Fortuyn who was very openly gay.
Think about it: one of the first leaders of the modern Dutch Far-Right was openly gay and nobody cared to the point that he was politically very successful as a Far-Right leader. In which other country in the World would the Far-Right types be fine with their leader being gay?!
In my own personal experience (I actually lived there for almost a decade), the Dutch have the healthiest take of all when it comes to sexual orientation: it’s all normal and in domains outside sex and romance treated as just about as relevant as people’s eye color (i.e. pretty much nobody cares).
All this to say that from a Dutch point of view the sexual orientation of the prime minister being homosexual is irrelevant.
Beware of projecting the weird Anglo-Saxon viewpoint on sexuality and sexual orientation onto events taking place in a Dutch context.
One of the main leaders of the german nazi party is a lesbian, and her partner (wife?) is a foreigner. People will see this, and in their heads make up an explanation, labelling such people as “the good exception” to their rule. My neighbour has dark skin, and she keeps hearing this a lot. Oh, we are not against YOU, you are different. We just hate everyone who looks like you because everyone else who is like you is scum.
In the Netherlands, some in the far right actually are saying that foreigners (especially muslims) are anti-gay and therefore should not be a part of Dutch society or be deported.
Edit: I do have to say that they also say that women are suppressed by foreigners. And that at the same time, they do nothing to protect the rights of women and LGBTIQ+ people. Apparently, they are only concerned with that when they can use it against foreigners.
That’s the thing: Prejudice is always bad, be it directly (presuming people are somehow worse or lesser than others based on some characteristics they were born with) or indirectly (presuming people are somehow better than others based on some characteristic they were born with, which means the evil types which are found amongst those people just as much as amongst the rest, get away with far more evildoing than otherwise: a great example of this being how Zionists have taken things to the point of committing Genocide because for decades they were leveraging “positive” prejudices about people who are Jewish to get away with doing seriously evil shit).
That’s why I really like the Dutch take of “those things are irrelevant for judging the character of a person” when it comes to sexual orientation - it totally avoids prejudice in any form, both the obviously bad prejudices AND the supposedly positive but in practice also negative, just indirectly.
People are people are people - best not presume things about them based on traits that have nothing to do with how good or bad they act, even “nice” presumptions.
In terms of people’s own ideology, that’s everywhere, really.
The upside of seeing sexual orientation as irrelevant outside sex and romance is that one has no tendency to assume that just because somebody has a specific sexual orientation, that means they think in a specific way (which is just a variant of “they’re all the same”), most notably in terms of Politics. This stands in contrast with what you see mainly in Anglo-Saxon nations.
So once one looks at the world like that it’s obvious that people whose sexual orientation is one of the less common ones are just as likely to be Nazis as the rest.
The difference in The Netherlands versus other countries is on how free people feel to let society know what their sexual orientation is, rather than the proportion of those who are gay and have Nazi beliefs being higher in The Netherlands than elsewhere - in other words people who have Nazi beliefs there and who happen to be gay are more likely to let others know that they’re gay than elsewhere.
The Far-Right really took off in the Netherlands under the leadership of Pim Fortuyn who was very openly gay.
Think about it: one of the first leaders of the modern Dutch Far-Right was openly gay and nobody cared to the point that he was politically very successful as a Far-Right leader. In which other country in the World would the Far-Right types be fine with their leader being gay?!
In my own personal experience (I actually lived there for almost a decade), the Dutch have the healthiest take of all when it comes to sexual orientation: it’s all normal and in domains outside sex and romance treated as just about as relevant as people’s eye color (i.e. pretty much nobody cares).
All this to say that from a Dutch point of view the sexual orientation of the prime minister being homosexual is irrelevant.
Beware of projecting the weird Anglo-Saxon viewpoint on sexuality and sexual orientation onto events taking place in a Dutch context.
One of the main leaders of the german nazi party is a lesbian, and her partner (wife?) is a foreigner. People will see this, and in their heads make up an explanation, labelling such people as “the good exception” to their rule. My neighbour has dark skin, and she keeps hearing this a lot. Oh, we are not against YOU, you are different. We just hate everyone who looks like you because everyone else who is like you is scum.
In the Netherlands, some in the far right actually are saying that foreigners (especially muslims) are anti-gay and therefore should not be a part of Dutch society or be deported.
Edit: I do have to say that they also say that women are suppressed by foreigners. And that at the same time, they do nothing to protect the rights of women and LGBTIQ+ people. Apparently, they are only concerned with that when they can use it against foreigners.
That’s the thing: Prejudice is always bad, be it directly (presuming people are somehow worse or lesser than others based on some characteristics they were born with) or indirectly (presuming people are somehow better than others based on some characteristic they were born with, which means the evil types which are found amongst those people just as much as amongst the rest, get away with far more evildoing than otherwise: a great example of this being how Zionists have taken things to the point of committing Genocide because for decades they were leveraging “positive” prejudices about people who are Jewish to get away with doing seriously evil shit).
That’s why I really like the Dutch take of “those things are irrelevant for judging the character of a person” when it comes to sexual orientation - it totally avoids prejudice in any form, both the obviously bad prejudices AND the supposedly positive but in practice also negative, just indirectly.
People are people are people - best not presume things about them based on traits that have nothing to do with how good or bad they act, even “nice” presumptions.
^ “In the Netherlands, just because gay, doesn’t mean not Nazi.”
In terms of people’s own ideology, that’s everywhere, really.
The upside of seeing sexual orientation as irrelevant outside sex and romance is that one has no tendency to assume that just because somebody has a specific sexual orientation, that means they think in a specific way (which is just a variant of “they’re all the same”), most notably in terms of Politics. This stands in contrast with what you see mainly in Anglo-Saxon nations.
So once one looks at the world like that it’s obvious that people whose sexual orientation is one of the less common ones are just as likely to be Nazis as the rest.
The difference in The Netherlands versus other countries is on how free people feel to let society know what their sexual orientation is, rather than the proportion of those who are gay and have Nazi beliefs being higher in The Netherlands than elsewhere - in other words people who have Nazi beliefs there and who happen to be gay are more likely to let others know that they’re gay than elsewhere.