• themeatbridge@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    I 100% agree with you, and I fully blame Biden, Harris, and the DNC for enabling Trump. I also blame Clinton for her fuck ups in 2016, and I blame Biden and the congressional democrats for bot doing more when they had the opportunities.

    Democrats suck.

    Republicans are worse.

    This isn’t a thought experiment. People have died because Trump won. People have had their entire lives ruined. People have suffered. People have lost their income sources. People have lost their homes. People have lost their families.

    Because Trump won.

    Some of that might have happened if Harris had won, but it would not have been as bad as it currently is. Pardons have been issued. SCOTUS precendents have been written. Generations of Americans will be un-fucking our legal, economic, and regulatory systems, if America even survives. Not since the Civil War has America been closer to total collapse.

    Choices have consequences. Sometimes the options both suck, and you have to pick which one sucks less. Political progress is the slow boring of hard boards. It requires constant vigilance, diligence, commitment, competence, and care. That’s why, historically and currently, the most successful political movements are led by religious zealots or despotic narcissists. Compromise, nuance, and empathy will slow you down, but that’s not a reason to abandon your principles. Principles guide you in your choices, but election day is the last step in a long process. Your choices are limited hy the trajectory of previous years of hard work.

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      I agree with what you’ve said too, but again, I think the dems would have done a lot of this either way. Not as callously, not as absurdly, but they had a chance to lock up trump, Pence, McConnell, Paul Ryan, etc., and chose not to do it in order to protect themselves. Biden had more deportations than trump did in his first term. We just didnt hear about it. Are you telling me every single one of those people were guilty of whatever crime? Or that families weren’t torn apart?

      I agree that it wouldnt be as bad as it currently is, but they were both trending in that direction. Genocide would have continued at the same pace. People were losing their homes and families while the rich buy up all estates for dimes and dollars under the dems too.

      You say “compromise, nuance, and empathy will slow you down, but thats not a reason to abandon your principles”. I would argue that a lot of people were refusing to abandon their principles - namely genocide being bad and promises being broken, and the democratic party showed theirs - namely corporate welfare, money, and lip service to the middle and lower classes. The thing was, those principles were not the same.

      The immediate response and the response ever since from Dems has been to blame every sort of minority they could (Arab Americans, black americans, millenials, latinos), while refusing to countenance the fact that those groups still did by and large vote majority for dems. The people who didnt were white men and women. On top of that, they keep talking about how the voters were wrong and cost them, rather than focusing on what they did wrong, which everyone was shouting from the rooftops.

      Things were not great before Trump. Thats why he won the first term, in addition to the DNC shooting themselves in the foot and doing all they could to stop Bernie. Biden stabilized some stuff, but didnt do much for anyone, and things got worse from the first trump term. Its not like everything was sunshine and roses while the dems were in charge. And even if they do come back in charge, they fucked themselves by allowing the Republicans to stack every single court in the country. Again, that level of incompetence cannot be real - either they are fully incapable of planning anything, or they were okay with it happening.