And i don’t mean stuff like deepfakes/sora/palantir/anything like that, im talking about why the anti-genai crowd isn’t providing an alternative where you can get instant feedback when you’re journaling

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    I think Yogthos and Cowbee said it well, but I just wanted to add some of Marx’s thoughts from vol 1, chapter 15 in regards to luddites if you haven’t read it, forgive me if you already have.

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    About 1630, a wind-sawmill, erected near London by a Dutchman, succumbed to the excesses of the populace. Even as late as the beginning of the 18th century, sawmills driven by water overcame the opposition of the people, supported as it was by Parliament, only with great difficulty. No sooner had Everet in 1758 erected the first wool-shearing machine that was driven by water-power, than it was set on fire by 100,000 people who had been thrown out of work. Fifty thousand workpeople, who had previously lived by carding wool, petitioned Parliament against Arkwright’s scribbling mills and carding engines. The enormous destruction of machinery that occurred in the English manufacturing districts during the first 15 years of this century, chiefly caused by the employment of the power-loom, and known as the Luddite movement, gave the anti-Jacobin governments of a Sidmouth, a Castlereagh, and the like, a pretext for the most reactionary and forcible measures. It took both time and experience before the workpeople learnt to distinguish between machinery and its employment by capital, and to direct their attacks, not against the material instruments of production, but against the mode in which they are used.

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      It took both time and experience before the workpeople learnt to distinguish between machinery and its employment by capital, and to direct their attacks, not against the material instruments of production, but against the mode in which they are used.

      Sadly, a lot of them still can’t, as evidenced even in this thread.

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        I hope AI discussion in the future start to blossom further into something better, because as it stands, it just feels rather disheartening when things get like bad? I’m not sure what it is with AI that leads to like, other comrades willing to call other comrades “dumb” elsewhere or other dejecting statements. It just gets very demoralizing.

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          I think it will pass in few years max. AI bubble will either break or be deflated, Chinese will improve their tech even more, online shitstorm artisans will either find new niche or get a job, AI creations will get less recognizable and so on.

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          I hope AI discussion in the future start to blossom further into something better

          It will improve but I feel that some comrades are disconnected from stories where AI is having a positive impact in people’s life. Stories that will make them question: “Why are there good stories in China but not in the West? What is missing for the West to have similar stories?”.

          I try to post a lot of AI news in c/Technology but it clearly is not working. Sorry for the ping but @[email protected] by pure coincidence do you have any ideas on how to improve visibility regarding AI?

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            I like the articles you and yog post currently. I browse Local, not Subscribed, and they often appear on my timeline. With Lemmygrad growing and more posts being made per day it’s natural that not everything will get seen equally.

            Maybe people might be interested in more practical uses of AI, I know at least I am. A lot of stuff we already use is neural networks (what I mean by AI personally) like image upscalers, automated image coloring, speech-to-text (like Siri, but not huawei’s voice assistant and it shows and they should really do something about this because it sucks!), moderation tools so that humans don’t have to look at CSAM (very important), translation work is also getting very good with neural networks for all sorts of usecases but you don’t have to rely on google translate anymore when that tool had a 60% accuracy at best.

            I’m just spitballing but I was just seeing a new tool that automates retopology for 3D artists, which is when you simplify a 3D model you sculpted to drastically lower its polygon count and make it easier to animate. And I was thinking there’s a lot of places in my own formal work where I could free up effort if I could have similar tools, like photoshop has genAI (if you use cloud which uh, let’s just say not everyone lets Adobe through their firewall…) but some filters and effects such as selecting a subject still rely on old algorithms and don’t work very well. Selecting hair especially has been refined over the years but it’s still a mess to perfectly isolate a subject, it takes a lot of time and the results vary. Being able to click a button and have a perfect selection would be dope, and I’m sure neural networks can take care of this.

            edit - I also have some ideas for posts about AI, hopefully people won’t think I’m trying to troll by posting them (if I do end up making them)

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              Maybe people might be interested in more practical uses of AI, I know at least I am.

              I think I have a couple of videos of people in China sharing their AI tech stack for their work. For example:

              Maybe, I have to find some regarding artists, designer and singers. 🤔

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      I appreciate the view and the tactical point, there is of course truth in there. Now there’s the matter of ability as well. Imagine being a resistant during fascist takeover. Every bit would count wouldn’t it? I can’t blame the ghetto kids for burning cars, if you understand me.

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        I’m not sure if I entirely understand? What your describing sounds like a different situation compared to talking about ai and means of production in general? I just mean it just sounds like your describing war or guerilla warfare in that context? in which, in terms of war, every bit does count like you said. and to go to ai, fascist states are using it for fascistic purposes like what the ruling class in the united states is doing with it. but I feel like that has less to do with the tool considering ai has a a wide variety of use like with what China showing what to do with it, and more to do with the people employing it for fascistic purposes? and in turn that has to do more with resisting oppressing and fascism in general and less to do with ai? I’m not sure if I properly articulated my thought.