And i don’t mean stuff like deepfakes/sora/palantir/anything like that, im talking about why the anti-genai crowd isn’t providing an alternative where you can get instant feedback when you’re journaling

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    Why would you want instant feedback when you’re journaling? The whole point of journaling is to have something that’s entirely your own thoughts.

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      I dont like writing my own thoughts down and just having them go into the void lol and i want a real hoomin to talk to about these things but i dont have one TwT

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        I would be extremely cautious about that sort of usage of AI. Commercial AI’s are psychopathic sychophants and have been known to drive people insane by constantly gassing them up.

        Like you clearly want someone to talk to about your life and such (who doesn’t?) and I understand not having someone to talk to (fewer and fewer do these days). But you’re opting for a corporate machine which certainly has instructions to encourage your dependence on it.

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          Also i delete my convos about these things after 1 prompt so i dont have a lasting convo on that But tbh exposure to the raw terms of the topic has let me go from tech allegories to T9 cipher to where i am now where i can at least prompt a robot using A1Z26 or hex to obscure the raw terms a bit

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            No idea. But I’d say its less likely. Especially if you’re running a local model with Ollama.

            I think key here is to prevent the AI from developing a “profile” on you and self controlled ollama sessions are the surest bet for that.

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        What does “go into the void” mean? The LLM may use them as context for a while or it may not use them as context at all, it may even periodically erase its memory of you.

        I find talking about heavy or personal things way easier with strangers than with people you know. There’s no stakes with a stranger you can literally walk up to someone on the street or in a park who doesn’t look busy and ask them if they want to talk.

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          Is it okay if I push back a bit? Since your last comment just feels a little dismissive? I don’t know the Free Penguin, but I will point out to other things why someone might not be able to easily talk to someone? Like for example, if someone can’t can’t walk or get around, they won’t be able to just talk to someone like that. Mainly speaking about my mom before she died since she had copd and her health decline after something happened to her at her former work place. But anyways she really hurt her spine and couldn’t really get around. I remember her being very upset with how alone she felt.

          Then also speaking for myself, I have a speech impediment, + anxiety, so it is really difficult for me to just approach someone and talk to them depending on various factors. along with that, another thing to, but some strangers can be outright hostile and make things worse and someone else might just have a lot of bad interactions with strangers. Since to go back to myself, people do judge how someone speaks and tends to see little of you, like if you have an accent or have trouble speaking.

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            Chronic loneliness and anxiety are a function of societal arrangements that are exacerbated by capitalist solutions, not inherent and unavoidable parts of the human condition until they are cured by a panacea ex machina.

            Believe it or not, before 2022 we did have lots of different approaches around the world to these things. And we are poorer for turning away from all those approaches.

            I am a rather awkward person in many ways, I am instantly recognizable by many people as “weird”, I have my own share of anxiety that I’ve gotten better at masking over the years. If I spent ages 19-25 interacting with a digital yes-man instead of with humans, I would have no social skills.

            Your response sounds closely analogous to when car proponents use the disabled as a shield. We don’t need everyone to drive, we need to minimize the distance between each other, and making driving (or LLM usage) a necessity for getting by in society only creates bigger problems, because the root problem is not being adequately addressed.

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              I feel like you might be taking me at bad faith here or misinterpreting me.

              Chronic loneliness and anxiety are a function of societal arrangements that are exacerbated by capitalist solutions, not inherent and unavoidable parts of the human condition until they are cured by a panacea ex machina.

              I agree? I’m very aware.

              Believe it or not, before 2022 we did have lots of different approaches around the world to these things. And we are poorer for turning away from all those approaches.

              I would argue that depends. Not everywhere has a lot of different approaches to these things. If anything, if we go to LLM’s, all they did was take inherit contradictions and brought them to new heights, but that these things were already there to begin with, maybe smaller in form.

              Your response sounds closely analogous to when car proponents use the disabled as a shield. We don’t need everyone to drive, we need to minimize the distance between each other, and making driving (or LLM usage) a necessity for getting by in society only creates bigger problems, because the root problem is not being adequately addressed.

              Again, where do I say that besides being taken at bad faith or misread into? All I’m simply is trying to point out that there usually reasons why someone would turn to something like an LLM or might not easily talk to someone else. As you said, the root problem is not being addressed. To add, it also just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and kind of hurts, to be that what I said sounds closely analogous to using the disable as a shield, especially when I was talking about myself or my mom.

              Since for example, when my mom was in the hospital before the last few weeks she died. She had to communicate on a white board for staff since they couldn’t understand her. I also had to use the same white board to because staff couldn’t understand what I was saying either. Just to give you an idea of how I have trouble speaking to others. I’m not saying someone shouldn’t try to interact with others you know and just go talk to a chatbot. People should have another person to talk to.

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            The ability to self-actualize and shape the world belongs to those who are willing to potentially cause momentary discomfort.

            Also the default status of many people is lonely and/or anxious; receiving social energy from someone often at least takes their mind off that.

            Advancements in material technology in the past half century have often ended up stunting our social development and well-being.