The academic definition technically makes sense.
I’m pretty sure even Euros understand the colloquial, North American sense of liberal, because it shows up in their older songs: the 1979 Logical Song by Supertramp from UK contains the lyrics
I said, now, watch what you say, they’ll be calling you a radical
A liberal, oh, fanatical, criminal
The ones in denial about this just have their heads so far up their ass that they can’t tolerate liberalism (academically, the doctrine that favors personal freedom by pursuing individual rights, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, equality before the law) having anything to do with leftism (political ideologies that pursue social equality & egalitarianism in opposition to social hierarchy).
The usual 2-axis political map consists of left–right axis (degree of social equality) & libertarian–authoritarian axis (degree of personal freedom): left & libertarian are possible.
If a leftist says they oppose liberalism, and liberalism is on the libertarian side of the libertarian–authoritarian axis, then where does that place them on the libertarian–authoritarian axis?
Modern day liberals are often on the libertarian right section of that graph that favors capitalism. Most leftists are on the libertarian left that favors socialism. Happy to help.
Edit: More often than not, american liberal politicians are riding the libertarian/authoritarian line on the capitalist side too. Thats why they always increase the police and military budgets.
Modern day liberals are often on the libertarian right section of that graph that favors capitalism.
So, you’re going to ignore the liberal & progressive factions whose caucuses had often been dominating the modern liberal party since Obama?
Disagreeing with you about private property & a mixed-market economy doesn’t mean they’re any less left for pursuing policies that favor social equality & egalitarianism (the definition of leftism), eg, civil rights, labor rights, environmental justice, social justice, market regulations, social safety net programs.
Your narrowminded, exclusionary, incorrect view of leftism denies their conformance to scholarly definitions.
The scholarly definition of liberalism is neither left nor right: it opposes authoritarianism by standing for personal freedom.
Do the leftists here hostile to liberalism oppose the scholarly definition of it, too?
Where does that place them on the libertarian–authoritarian axis?
The academic definition technically makes sense. I’m pretty sure even Euros understand the colloquial, North American sense of liberal, because it shows up in their older songs: the 1979 Logical Song by Supertramp from UK contains the lyrics
The ones in denial about this just have their heads so far up their ass that they can’t tolerate liberalism (academically, the doctrine that favors personal freedom by pursuing individual rights, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, equality before the law) having anything to do with leftism (political ideologies that pursue social equality & egalitarianism in opposition to social hierarchy). The usual 2-axis political map consists of left–right axis (degree of social equality) & libertarian–authoritarian axis (degree of personal freedom): left & libertarian are possible.
If a leftist says they oppose liberalism, and liberalism is on the libertarian side of the libertarian–authoritarian axis, then where does that place them on the libertarian–authoritarian axis?
Modern day liberals are often on the libertarian right section of that graph that favors capitalism. Most leftists are on the libertarian left that favors socialism. Happy to help.
Edit: More often than not, american liberal politicians are riding the libertarian/authoritarian line on the capitalist side too. Thats why they always increase the police and military budgets.
So, you’re going to ignore the liberal & progressive factions whose caucuses had often been dominating the modern liberal party since Obama?
Disagreeing with you about private property & a mixed-market economy doesn’t mean they’re any less left for pursuing policies that favor social equality & egalitarianism (the definition of leftism), eg, civil rights, labor rights, environmental justice, social justice, market regulations, social safety net programs.
Your narrowminded, exclusionary, incorrect view of leftism denies their conformance to scholarly definitions.
The scholarly definition of liberalism is neither left nor right: it opposes authoritarianism by standing for personal freedom. Do the leftists here hostile to liberalism oppose the scholarly definition of it, too? Where does that place them on the libertarian–authoritarian axis?
Sure, just keep shifting the goal poat, that works well everytime and definitely makes you look rational
They’ve previously defended that Biden kept Mexicans in cages, you can ignore them.