• BastingChemina@slrpnk.net
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    Even better: a “Dutch roundabout” with protected cycle lanes.

    Dutch roundabout illustration from wikipedia

    For any north American panicking at the idea of a roundabout, come in France. In a week you’ll have seen more roundabouts than in your entire life in the US.

  • newaccountwhodis@lemmy.ml
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    Roundabouts are very safe for drivers - they suck for pedestrians and cyclists tho. Especially pedestrians have to cover longer distances.

    They’re neat for areas with high car volumes, really bad for everywhere else

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    9 hours ago

    They build roundabouts pretty regularly in my area of Iowa, its just that we have a lot of fucking idiots that can’t bother to try to figure them out, so even though I know how to drive through one, I tend to avoid them so I don’t risk getting hit.

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      Yeah Ohio has been slowly switching to roundabouts for over a decade. Then i moved to the PNW where they’re definitely slower to making the switch but still doing it.

      Major intersections it’s still rare, but I’ve lived in a small town where the primary intersection was a roundabout

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    As a pedestrian i HATE roundabouts. No lights, no stop signs, i just have to hope that maybe a car will see me and stop

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      14 hours ago

      There is a cool roundabout near me with stop lights that all turn red at the same time, stopping all vehicle traffic and letting pedestrians go.

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        I’ve heard that traffic circles (i.e. the circular intersections with traffic lights) are extremely dangerous, and that that’s part of why roundabouts have faced so many difficulties entering the US (because the US had traffic circles in the early 20th century and the cultural perception is that circle = dangerous).

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          7 hours ago

          This is a different thing. It’s still a roundabout with roundabout rules. It’s just sometimes illegal for anyone to enter

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      Same. They’re wonderful for auto throughput and auto safety, that’s about it. They don’t save much if any space over traditional intersections (Really their space and shape requirements make them fairly prohibitive in any place that isn’t already dominated exclusively by motor infrastructure), they create a lot more travel distance for pedestrians and cyclists who have to go around the outside, and they generally don’t have any signals for cars to stop for pedestrians and cyclists crossing as they make their way around that long orbit. They’re about as effective a solution to our car-centric society as the electric car.

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      I would like to add, that a roundabout where people who are trying to exit have to stop for pedestrians, make a very unsafe roundabout.

      Sure, people entering should stop, but if cars exiting have to stop, it makes too many points of failure. Cars exiting already have to watch for bikes over their shoulder, while also looking ahead to make sure the car in front of them isn’t stoppinh for some other reason. If they also have to look for pedestrians crossing, their attention will simply be too divided in too many different directions.

      Instead a pedestrian crossing needs to let cars exit, and cars entering need to give plenty room for pedestrians to cross.

      This is very possible to make intuitive and easy through design, that puts to crosswalk about a cars length away from the entrence to the roundabout. That way, cars about to enter can focus on other bad driver incapable of signaling, and cars waiting in line can focus on pedestrians.

      Unfortunately I have only seen about a handful roundabouts designed that way in my life here in Europe, but they make everything much better for pedestrians and cyclists.

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      It sounds like you have only found badly designed roundabouts to be honest. Not Just Bikes probably has a video dedicated on how a good one should look like, including priority signaling when appropriate

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      And when there are lights it takes so long to pass through them because you have to take a huge detour around the cars and wait at multiple lights.

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      Yes. From the IIHS:

      Studies in Europe indicate that, on average, converting conventional intersections to roundabouts can reduce pedestrian crashes by about 75% (Brilon et al., 1993; Schoon & van Minnen, 1994).

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    Roundabouts are still quite dangerous for cyclists. Ban cars in populated areas.

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    north america:

    safer means removing all public transut, all bike lanes, and all sidewalks. if there are no pedestrians, its safer

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