Argument about why an instance doesn’t want to federate with another instance that’s devoted to political trolling. Apparently that kind of behavior is simply a core tenet of the belief system, and to criticize it is to reject the whole ideology.
Argument about why an instance doesn’t want to federate with another instance that’s devoted to political trolling. Apparently that kind of behavior is simply a core tenet of the belief system, and to criticize it is to reject the whole ideology.
https://lemmy.world/search?q=israel&type=Posts&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopWeek
Click on any one, and you will find a comments section absolutely chock-full of critique of Israel. What is it that you are complaining about? What types of stories or comments would you like to be able to post on lemmy.world that you currently cannot, can you give me an example?
Got it 😃. Anyway, can you point me to one single instance where something critiquing the DNC was removed as “misinformation”? I don’t know anyone active on LW, in or out of authority, who likes the DNC.
Yes. Like I said, your complaint is that they don’t ban people who disagree with you, or “shit-stir” in the propaganda framing. By not banning your opponents, they are “cultivating” an environment where people are allowed to be hostile to you, and you don’t like that.
(Of course, on Hexbear, that framing is accurate – anyone who comes in with a “liberal” viewpoint will, indeed, stir shit, because dozens of people will start howling, posting abuse, yelling at them, basically turn the thread into a debacle, and then they will be banned. Which, like I said, is why Hexbear is widely defederated.)
I have more to say on the wider issues, but let’s start with asking you to back up the statements about LW’s moderation by answering the factual questions above. I actually strongly dislike lemmy.world’s moderation also, just for different reasons than you do, and I think your reasons are entirely just fantasies that .ml and friends share between themselves that have no basis in reality. Show me why I’m wrong though.
Sure, here’s what got removed and eventually got me permabanned from politicalmemes on Lemmy.world: example 1, example 2, example 3, and example 4. Here’s an image of a couple of them for easier access (old screenshot):
So, when combined with the fact that they defederate from leftist instances, prop up well-known shit-stirrers, and permaban dissent from leftists, it’s pretty clear that the leftism is the issue for them. You may turn a blind eye to the mod and admins being abusive, and their hostility towards leftists, but this community is filled with examples of moderator and admin abuse on Lemmy.world directed against leftists. It’s undeniable that the anti-left bias is pushed by the Lemmy.world leadership, and blocking Hexbear is only one of many examples of that in practice.
Really don’t know why you expect me to take you seriously when you call me a liar to my face.
Are you permabanned from [email protected]? It doesn’t look to me like you are.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=5159239
Can you show me a screenshot of the permaban?
It looks like they removed those comments. I mean, I actually agree with you here, they shouldn’t have removed that, it’s sort of a slippery slope to go down that “misinformation” should be subject to prior restraint, because one person’s misinformation is another person’s dissent.
Regardless, it doesn’t look to me like they are banning “critique of Israel,” or for that matter of Democrats. Look at the rest of the comments section where your comments got removed, or the link to the search I showed you. Surely you can see that critique of Israel is the almost unanimous majority viewpoint on lemmy.world, right? Or no? Tell me, that’s not just a rhetorical question.
Most of the things you get banned for are for intentionally misrepresenting the other person’s point of view, which makes perfect sense to me, or apologia for genocide (presumably in Xinjiang) which I agree with you they should not ban for. My point is that critiquing Israel is absolutely fine on lemmy.world. Is that all you have, is that one time a year ago, a few of your comments got removed? Have you ever been banned from [email protected] or something for critiquing Israel? I critique Israel constantly and I have never been banned for it. This just seems like this wild counterfactual world you are trying to spin up here, where all I see factually is that a year ago one time you got some comments removed. Maybe I am missing seeing the permaban but I don’t see it.
If you make up facts and then use them to justify with an expansive spun-up narrative about it, then sure. My point is that when you ground it in the actual facts of what happened, it becomes a lot less pretty-clear.
Yes, I’m permabanned from politicalmemes. The original reason given was “you knew this was coming,” I’m not sure why it doesn’t show in the modlog anymore but here’s what it looks like when I’m logged in to Lemmy.ml, no ability to upvote or downvote nor comment nor post(notice your comment notification at the top):
Secondly, I did not intentionally misinterpret anyone. Check the original thread, the user was deliberately saying that they doubt self-reported trans identification:
As you can see, yerbouti was responding to comments about Hexbear having a high proportion of transgender users, which they proceded to claim were lying, equating them to proud boys members claiming they aren’t racist.
As for my dozen bans from comms PugJesus moderates, they lost an argument in a comm they were getting called out for and banned me permanently from every comm they mod. Had nothing to do with Xinjiang or anything, just PJ emotionally lashing out.
I don’t have more .world bans because I abandoned that place. There’s nothing I want to participate in there. I haven’t made up any facts, I’ve given my analysis on what I believe is happening, and justified that with real facts and evidence. Simple as that. There’s more examples of this kind of moderation on Lemmy.world, such as in worldnews, and these are only the posted about kinds.
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I did not misinterpret yerbouti. Based on a prior interaction, I knew exactly what they meant. CW: Extreme transphobia. Their “research” involved a suicide joke and invalidating the expressed gender identity of Hexbear users. Yerbouti was just being transphobic, period. I’m not at all confused by the censorship, Lemmy.world moderators and admins protect and foster that behavior.
To respond to your point, myself and many other users’ direct lived experience has been Lemmy.world protecting transphobes and zionists, and banning those calling the DNC complicit in genocide. I’ve given you several examples of not just me but others. Certainly you can see the problem, right?
The fact is, the vast majority of people I interact with do take me seriously. You keep referencing this “reputation” I have with “others,” but I largely am seen positively by leftists and negatively by liberals, and those on the liberal side often still respect my honesty and civility even though they disagree.
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You genuinely don’t get the connection between the suicide joke and the comment “cause 95% of you are guys lets be honest?” You’re bending over backwards for obvious transphobes that make no attempt to hide it purely because they share your anti-Hexbear bias. If you genuinely can’t come up with an explanation for the 95% comment yet find it not at all transphobic, then there’s no way you’ll ever admit to being mistaken anywhere else.
Secondly, I have given evidence not just of myself, but other users directly being censored, where you even agreed with me that that’s problematic. I have never said Lemmy.world censors everything, just that they foster an environment by censoring particularly squeeky wheels and preventing leftists from federating, under reasoning they should also ban hilarious-chaos for if they were being consistent.
Do you see why you’re getting pushback from people here?
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Hey I’m banned from politicalmemes too, you and me are so alike!