Game of thrones is pretty explicitly about “basically all of these people are bastards and even the like two who aren’t at least a little bastardy are in a fucked up context and just kinda trying and still do horrible shit because in a setting like that, morality isn’t, like, compatible.” I can think of like two characters who aren’t m9rally compromised, and one of them wishes he could stay dead.
Star trek is explicitly Utopian. Even the darker and edgier spinoff or the irreverent comedy spinoff are still at least partially about this. The episodes are mostly explorations of morality, explicitly, argued between characters like a god damn Socratic dialogue! The characters regularly monologue about it, to the point it being anvilicious and a little corny is one of the things people bring up as a criticism!
You don’t have to be 100% on board to enjoy yourself, but, like; you gotta be adjacent.
Game of thrones is pretty explicitly about “basically all of these people are bastards and even the like two who aren’t at least a little bastardy are in a fucked up context and just kinda trying and still do horrible shit because in a setting like that, morality isn’t, like, compatible.” I can think of like two characters who aren’t m9rally compromised, and one of them wishes he could stay dead.
Star trek is explicitly Utopian. Even the darker and edgier spinoff or the irreverent comedy spinoff are still at least partially about this. The episodes are mostly explorations of morality, explicitly, argued between characters like a god damn Socratic dialogue! The characters regularly monologue about it, to the point it being anvilicious and a little corny is one of the things people bring up as a criticism!
You don’t have to be 100% on board to enjoy yourself, but, like; you gotta be adjacent.