I never understood the thing about people saying that Section 31 was shown in a good light. They were literally the singular cause for damn near every problem of Season 2… That Section 31 movie? Yeah kinda. But Season 2 just never made sense to me. The only good Section 31 person out of the lot was a former Klingon and a Terran and both of them sucked in their own rights. Like not discrediting your opinion, I just never understood that.
Also skip season 2 of Picard. It’s… meh. Not to mention almost instantly retconned at the start of Season 3.
Edit: Ah my mistake. Above user was just whole ass inventing things.
I recall in the first episode of season (I thought it was 3, but I guess it must’ve been 2) they introduced one character by mentioning he killed a diplomat/ambassador and he’s portrayed as a ‘doesn’t follow the rules’ maverick, and that was when I stopped watching; if it went on to show how evil section 31 was, I wouldn’t know cause that’s where I stopped (basically any jingoistic shows I try to avoid like the plague, like Marvel’s falcon and winter soldier series).
Section 31 has zero appearance after Season 2, at least outside people talking about former experiences, so it has to be Season 2. First episode of Season 2 isn’t it because there are no Section 31 characters in that episode, neither do they in episode 2. Actually, come to think of it, the first appearance of any Section 31 character in Discovery at all (outside of random black badge seen in Season 1) is at the end of Episode 3.
I genuinely have no idea who you could even be talking about. Ash Tyler is the only guy who I can think of who even remotely fits that description but he didn’t kill anyone. I guess maybe Georgiou? She gets introduced by killing a couple of Klingons, preventing a random internal Klingon coup as well as trying to recruit a dude into Section 31. That dude is the former Klingon guy and Georgiou is the Terran. Section 31 just shows constant failure across the board, fucking up literally every single thing. Even the main BBEG of the entire season was created by Section 31 stupidity and failure. But even when Georgiou is introduced, she is not shown to be the good guy and neither are any Section 31 characters. They’re constantly yelled at by the main cast, everyone repeatedly pointing out how Section 31 is a catastrophic failure that is actively putting more Federation lives at risk. That’s why I’m so baffled by the criticism of it showing Section 31 in a good light. Like I said, not specifically with you, but this is a criticism I’ve seen frequently that I just don’t get.
Edit: I just went back and skipped through the episode and there is a singular line from Georgiou where she says “You should consider hanging around. Our Command believes misfits have merit, so we keep busy.” No part of them ever shows them as the good guy and it’s a terran and a shadowy dude that says it. The guy they’re saying it to is also side-eyeing them the entire time and not trusting them at all. I genuinely have no possible idea how you could ever think they were shown as the good guys. They were in shadowy lighting and acting all evil…
Edit 2: Yeah I figured. You guys really like just utterly making shit up to complain about and lie over when it comes to discovery and the second it’s pointed out for being total horseshit you end up refusing to engage. I really dislike you.
I like more nuTrek than I dislike. LD, Prodigy, and (the first two seasons of) SNW were all good. SNW season 3 has one singular good episode and it was made much worse than it should have been by a bad memberberries canon-preserving ending.
I dropped Picard in season 1 because it was tonally unrecognizable as Trek.
I found season 1 of Discovery mostly bad but made it through and thought the season ending wrapped things up well enough with the mirror universe. But then season 2 has cannibal super Hitler walking around free and part of the space CIA and I stopped watching.
I understand wanting to use Michelle Yeoh but then don’t cast her as cannibal super Hitler.
That literally never happened.
I never understood the thing about people saying that Section 31 was shown in a good light. They were literally the singular cause for damn near every problem of Season 2… That Section 31 movie? Yeah kinda. But Season 2 just never made sense to me. The only good Section 31 person out of the lot was a former Klingon and a Terran and both of them sucked in their own rights. Like not discrediting your opinion, I just never understood that.
Also skip season 2 of Picard. It’s… meh. Not to mention almost instantly retconned at the start of Season 3.
Edit: Ah my mistake. Above user was just whole ass inventing things.
I recall in the first episode of season (I thought it was 3, but I guess it must’ve been 2) they introduced one character by mentioning he killed a diplomat/ambassador and he’s portrayed as a ‘doesn’t follow the rules’ maverick, and that was when I stopped watching; if it went on to show how evil section 31 was, I wouldn’t know cause that’s where I stopped (basically any jingoistic shows I try to avoid like the plague, like Marvel’s falcon and winter soldier series).
Section 31 has zero appearance after Season 2, at least outside people talking about former experiences, so it has to be Season 2. First episode of Season 2 isn’t it because there are no Section 31 characters in that episode, neither do they in episode 2. Actually, come to think of it, the first appearance of any Section 31 character in Discovery at all (outside of random black badge seen in Season 1) is at the end of Episode 3.
I genuinely have no idea who you could even be talking about. Ash Tyler is the only guy who I can think of who even remotely fits that description but he didn’t kill anyone. I guess maybe Georgiou? She gets introduced by killing a couple of Klingons, preventing a random internal Klingon coup as well as trying to recruit a dude into Section 31. That dude is the former Klingon guy and Georgiou is the Terran. Section 31 just shows constant failure across the board, fucking up literally every single thing. Even the main BBEG of the entire season was created by Section 31 stupidity and failure. But even when Georgiou is introduced, she is not shown to be the good guy and neither are any Section 31 characters. They’re constantly yelled at by the main cast, everyone repeatedly pointing out how Section 31 is a catastrophic failure that is actively putting more Federation lives at risk. That’s why I’m so baffled by the criticism of it showing Section 31 in a good light. Like I said, not specifically with you, but this is a criticism I’ve seen frequently that I just don’t get.
Edit: I just went back and skipped through the episode and there is a singular line from Georgiou where she says “You should consider hanging around. Our Command believes misfits have merit, so we keep busy.” No part of them ever shows them as the good guy and it’s a terran and a shadowy dude that says it. The guy they’re saying it to is also side-eyeing them the entire time and not trusting them at all. I genuinely have no possible idea how you could ever think they were shown as the good guys. They were in shadowy lighting and acting all evil…
Edit 2: Yeah I figured. You guys really like just utterly making shit up to complain about and lie over when it comes to discovery and the second it’s pointed out for being total horseshit you end up refusing to engage. I really dislike you.
I like more nuTrek than I dislike. LD, Prodigy, and (the first two seasons of) SNW were all good. SNW season 3 has one singular good episode and it was made much worse than it should have been by a bad memberberries canon-preserving ending.
I dropped Picard in season 1 because it was tonally unrecognizable as Trek.
I found season 1 of Discovery mostly bad but made it through and thought the season ending wrapped things up well enough with the mirror universe. But then season 2 has cannibal super Hitler walking around free and part of the space CIA and I stopped watching.
I understand wanting to use Michelle Yeoh but then don’t cast her as cannibal super Hitler.