• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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    Who was worse Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan?

    But killing civilians wasn’t taboo at the time and we can whataboutism Japan’s treatment of civilians.

    As for your question, yes the US was inconsequential in the allies beating Germany (though it can argued they allowed the western Allies to meet the USSR in Germany) and was mostly in the Pacific theatre.

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      This is absolutely wrong, but the fascists violated the rules deliberately and repeatedly and created the modern concept of total war as an ideological demand.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions

      The Geneva Conventions were established prior to the war. The versions we have now were updated post-war to reflect the changing demands but deliberate attacks on civilians were never allowable under them. As it happens the reason Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen is that they were military ports and so Americans claimed the whole cities were viable “military targets” though that’s… Debated. It is an inevitable consequence of the concept of total war however.

      Japan was invited to join them, agreed, and then broke them with glee. It sucks to suck but that’s the kind of the war the fascists wanted.

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      But killing civilians wasn’t taboo at the time

      At the time?

      An estimated over 940,000 people were killed by direct post-9/11 war violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan between 2001-2023. Of these, more than 432,000 were civilians. The number of people wounded or ill as a result of the conflicts is far higher, as is the number of civilians who died “indirectly,” as a result of wars’ destruction of economies, healthcare systems, infrastructure and the environment.

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      Who was worse Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan?

      I mean, if we’re talking genocidal regimes of the 20th century? Germany and Japan had a really late start compared to the Americans, the British, and the Dutch.

      The Germans are primarily vilified for killing other Europeans. But King Leopold’s Holocaust in the Congo Free States was nightmarish, killing as many as 13M local residents in pursuit of cheap rubber and lumber. Nevermind British massacres in India, Ireland, and Kenya.

      However you slice it, the targets of these war machines are inevitably civilian. Either direct war on industrial centers to limit war time production or indirect siege of a city through embargo or attacks on transports and commercial shipping inevitably and intentionally murders the most vulnerable first and foremost.

      But killing civilians wasn’t taboo at the time

      Still isn’t. All war is, at its heart, a civilian slaughter. The only real way to bring a population to heel is to terrorize them past the point of resistance. From the German conquest of Poland to the American firebombing of Tokyo, mass murder of civilians plays a central role in extorting surrender.