The first US colony in America was established in 1607. Honestly, your comment is pedantry so I’m not exactly sure why I’m responding to such a valueless comment, but something rubs me the wrong way about casually pretending the “American” tag starts at 1776 or whatever and therefore minimizing the horrible actions of both our founders and the people who came before them.
The first settlers may not have been citizens of the USA but they were the first Americans to commit despicable acts against the natives, their eventual slaves, the women of their communities, and no doubt the LGBTQAI community. Just feels wrong to pedantically correct someone calling out the horrible shit we did prior to (and during) WW2.
You’re being purposefully obtuse and dim, but I’ll respond once more incase you are actually trying to understand the world around you instead of ragebait.
We have “heroes” we celebrate, mythicize, and owe the US’s history to which I would qualify as American. We’re not talking about “blaming the US for government sanctioned activities”, we’re talking about what the fuckin comic is talking about which is the history of American heroes. So no, youre not even commenting on the correct concept.
This is completely ignoring the fact that “American” is a bit of a erasure of the reality that Native Americans were American, Canadians and Mexicans live on North America. There’s a whole other fuckin continent called America whose residents should be considered American… But that’s a bit pedantic even if there’s some meaningful lessons there I’ll drop that topic to focus on what’s actually more telling.
We have a holiday for Christopher Columbus. I grew up learning about him for multiple years of my history education as the person who discovered America, viewed in a positive light despite what he did. Benjamin Franklin, one of the beloved heroic founders, was born in like 1706 putting a ton of his actions and horrific behaviors prior to the founding the USA. There are several characters like Pocahontas and Captain John Smith that we again point to and learn about as heroes in the American Mythos. Idk if I’d consider them citizens of the USA but I would definitely consider them Americans. Like first of all is 320 years (BF’s birthday to today) so off from 400 that you’d make a comment? Is drawing a line at what Christopher Columbus did as not American really so important to you, given we have events like the Trail of Tears taught in every classroom in the US. It’s all an extension of the same evils you’re erasing accountability for over less than 100 years? Like it’s just weird man. Big touch grass energy. Is it cause your identity is tied to Americans doing no wrong? Or are you just bored today? Like I’m genuinely curious, I’m not exactly interested in being your therapist, but like wtf is this worth to you?
You are being overly verbose and artless. I get it you think all of history was evil and should be judged through the lenses of the present. Its easy to call people who were very progressive for their time evil and barbaric today but you fail to see its how you will be viewed in a more progressive future.
Its funny how everyone who knows me personally tells me I am one of the most intelligent people they know but some angry child online thinks I’m dim because I don’t agree with their black and white take on history. The idea that every wrong committed wasn’t balanced out by something positive and progressive is childish in the extreme.
Keep on moving the goalposts. You think you are the only one who can see things and since that is the case there is no hope for you to see yourself. I’m gonna do my favorite thing on lemmy. I’m gonna block you because there is currently no hope for you. Keep on blaming the past for the present. That way nothing will ever change.
Even in Columbus’s time he was known as a piece of shit who went too far, yet Americans worship the fucker as one of their own and he was born 600 years ago.
Keep defending the past, and the present will never have a reason to change.
I never brought up columbus day that that was the other narrow minded person. What is about you narrow minded types that when someone points out a glaring blind spot in your statements that you dig down with some specific detail and make your whole tired arguments about that.
So instead of talking about your blindspot we end of up talking about something that has nothing at all to do with my statement.
Its funny how everyone who knows me personally tells me I am one of the most intelligent people they know
Aw my sweet summer child.
Its easy to call people who were very progressive for their time evil and barbaric today but you fail to see its how you will be viewed in a more progressive future.
This mf would defend Hitler if he was from the US.
Go back to reddit where neckbeards guzzle up US propaganda, puke it back up and pass it around. You aren’t fooling anyone with self-aggrandizing bs.
You know the US isn’t that old… Right?
The first US colony in America was established in 1607. Honestly, your comment is pedantry so I’m not exactly sure why I’m responding to such a valueless comment, but something rubs me the wrong way about casually pretending the “American” tag starts at 1776 or whatever and therefore minimizing the horrible actions of both our founders and the people who came before them.
The first settlers may not have been citizens of the USA but they were the first Americans to commit despicable acts against the natives, their eventual slaves, the women of their communities, and no doubt the LGBTQAI community. Just feels wrong to pedantically correct someone calling out the horrible shit we did prior to (and during) WW2.
You want to blame the US for anything that happened before the country was established? How childish.
You’re being purposefully obtuse and dim, but I’ll respond once more incase you are actually trying to understand the world around you instead of ragebait.
We have “heroes” we celebrate, mythicize, and owe the US’s history to which I would qualify as American. We’re not talking about “blaming the US for government sanctioned activities”, we’re talking about what the fuckin comic is talking about which is the history of American heroes. So no, youre not even commenting on the correct concept.
This is completely ignoring the fact that “American” is a bit of a erasure of the reality that Native Americans were American, Canadians and Mexicans live on North America. There’s a whole other fuckin continent called America whose residents should be considered American… But that’s a bit pedantic even if there’s some meaningful lessons there I’ll drop that topic to focus on what’s actually more telling.
We have a holiday for Christopher Columbus. I grew up learning about him for multiple years of my history education as the person who discovered America, viewed in a positive light despite what he did. Benjamin Franklin, one of the beloved heroic founders, was born in like 1706 putting a ton of his actions and horrific behaviors prior to the founding the USA. There are several characters like Pocahontas and Captain John Smith that we again point to and learn about as heroes in the American Mythos. Idk if I’d consider them citizens of the USA but I would definitely consider them Americans. Like first of all is 320 years (BF’s birthday to today) so off from 400 that you’d make a comment? Is drawing a line at what Christopher Columbus did as not American really so important to you, given we have events like the Trail of Tears taught in every classroom in the US. It’s all an extension of the same evils you’re erasing accountability for over less than 100 years? Like it’s just weird man. Big touch grass energy. Is it cause your identity is tied to Americans doing no wrong? Or are you just bored today? Like I’m genuinely curious, I’m not exactly interested in being your therapist, but like wtf is this worth to you?
You are being overly verbose and artless. I get it you think all of history was evil and should be judged through the lenses of the present. Its easy to call people who were very progressive for their time evil and barbaric today but you fail to see its how you will be viewed in a more progressive future.
Its funny how everyone who knows me personally tells me I am one of the most intelligent people they know but some angry child online thinks I’m dim because I don’t agree with their black and white take on history. The idea that every wrong committed wasn’t balanced out by something positive and progressive is childish in the extreme.
Keep on moving the goalposts. You think you are the only one who can see things and since that is the case there is no hope for you to see yourself. I’m gonna do my favorite thing on lemmy. I’m gonna block you because there is currently no hope for you. Keep on blaming the past for the present. That way nothing will ever change.
Even in Columbus’s time he was known as a piece of shit who went too far, yet Americans worship the fucker as one of their own and he was born 600 years ago.
Keep defending the past, and the present will never have a reason to change.
I never brought up columbus day that that was the other narrow minded person. What is about you narrow minded types that when someone points out a glaring blind spot in your statements that you dig down with some specific detail and make your whole tired arguments about that.
So instead of talking about your blindspot we end of up talking about something that has nothing at all to do with my statement.
Goodbye what ever that shit in your name means.
Drop the racism.
Aw my sweet summer child.
This mf would defend Hitler if he was from the US.
Go back to reddit where neckbeards guzzle up US propaganda, puke it back up and pass it around. You aren’t fooling anyone with self-aggrandizing bs.
Regional heroes often precede the countries they are celebrated in. Like, for example Stauffenberg precedes the current Germany.
What you inherit becomes your history. Even if you steal it.
Are viking invasion not part of British history because it wasn’t called Britain yet?
Are you like 12?
Don’t go way mad just go away.