Obama abandoned the DNC when he was in office, out of spite because they were working with Hillary against him. Because they were still her and Bill’s people.
So the DNC was literally bought and paid for in 2016.
They didn’t know what the fuck to do and stuck with the same neoliberals for 2016-2020.
Biden won, but he nominated the neoliberals again.
Then, 2024, for the first time in decades, the voting members of the DNC picked a nonbiased state chair instead.
Like, I criticize the past DNC all the time. It’s still worse than most people realize, but today’s DNC is a completely different animal. Most people just don’t understand all this shit so think today’s DNC is in any way similar to the DNC a year ago.
The chair has complete and total control, and it’s a new chair
They may have a new chair, but how are they different? All I see is the same old Dems shitting on progressives and refusing to stand up to republicans.
All I see is the same old Dems shitting on progressives and refusing to stand up to republicans.
Well…
It sounds like you’re looking at elected representatives and for some reason you think they’re the DNC…
Neoliberals have been blurring that line for decades, so it’s a common misunderstanding of how our government works, specifically the party system.
The chair runs the party. And is accountable to no one. They don’t even have to show the books to anyone.
Neoliberals in office, prior DNC chairs, and state party chairs ran a corrupt system.
We got a non biased DNC chair now. But that didn’t fix the neoliberals in office, and while it helps the honest state parties and hurts the corrupt ones, fixing the state parties and replacing shitty incumbents still need done.
If you need reassurances about Ken Martin personally, look at how he ran Minnesota for a decade.
Spoiler: it turned a purple state we were losing ground in, to solid blue and home to some of our most progressive House reps. That’s because Martin legitimately doesn’t care who wins a Dem primary. He sees a primary as a chance for voters to pick the candidate most likely to win the general, and just goes with who voters pick
A neoliberal just can’t win a fair primary like that. So the result is progressive gains.
That will allow a progressive to win the primary, and they’d be a slam dunk in the general.
When a Dem is elected president, they nominate a new DNC chair for a four year term. So Martin could very well just be a stepping stone if that hypothetical progressive president wanted to seat a chair who is biased for progressives, but honestly I hope we stick with a fair chair, secure in the knowledge that neoliberals can’t win a fair primary.
As such, the only danger to neoliberals taking the DNC back, is if idiots fall for Pritzker or Newsom and let a neoliberal thru the primary, because they’ll sure as shit nominate a biased neoliberal to run the DNC.
So…
He doesn’t need “structural changes” to stop neoliberals, he just isn’t doing all the bullshit they did.
Like, even talking about “structural changes” means you still don’t understand how powerful the chair is. They’re literally a dictator accountable to no one. If Martin wanted to he could just name a candidate for 2028, and it would be totally legally, but definitely not cool.
He can do whatever the fuck he wants, but so can whoever the next chair is. There’s nothing that can be changed today, that the next chair can’t change day 1.
It’s an incredibly fucked up and undemocratic system. But before we can replace it, we have to have control of it. And we just did the hardest part of that process, billionaire owned media just dont want people to know.
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But we’re currently in the middle of the largest reinvestment from DNC to state parties. After almost a decade of the DNC robbing state parties thru the “victory fund” bullshit.
That’s why Republicans got the House.
Martin redistributing that stolen wealth back to red/purple state parties is letting them operate at campaign levels already, laying the groundwork for midterms.
It’s not glamours, but it’s what the party should be doing.
Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign. And there’s a lot of lessons.
One is, he campaigned for something. And this is a critical piece. We can’t just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump. There’s no doubt about it for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to give people a sense of what we’re for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power.
And that’s really critical. And I think that’s one of the lessons from Mamdani’s campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters, and he campaigned for something, not against other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was going to make New York City a better place to live.
I think that’s one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out, both a very aggressive in-person campaigning, meeting voters where they’re at, and then also in those digital spaces, using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way.
There’s a lot to learn from that campaign, and I’m excited to learn more.
That was July 9th too, he’s not bandwagoning, it’s just billionaire owned media really don’t want you to know the person with absolute control over the DNC and it’s war chest supports Mamdani and candidates like him
If we’re talking about Jill Stein specifically, the Green Party presidential candidate, I think it’s a bit more of a fair comparison.
For third parties to really have a chance we need to pass ballot initiatives for a new voting system. This gets around the Spoiler Effect that current happens in our First Past the Post system. I’m all for third parties being viable since that would actually pressure Democrats to be more progressive or they risk losing to progressives.
For states with ballot initiatives, that sounds practical. Back when I lived in CT we voted against having ballot initiatives for 20 years. I didn’t want to be unrepresented for 20 years, so I moved to CA.
From the sounds of the question, it sounded misleading and alarmist to voters, especially so if you’re not a tuned in voter. It was basically an open invitation to amend the state constitution rather than to amend it in a specific way.
It’s been close to 20 years since the legislature has even brought something similar to a vote from the sounds of it.
The legislature also tried to pass the ballot initiative in a presidential election year, where the least tuned in voters typically are voting and will vote against anything they may perceive as rocking the status quo.
I don’t blame you for leaving given there hasn’t been a similar initiative since then, but I believe it could be possible there if they were to change the language to be more specific and if they tried to pass it in a mid-term election.
Neoliberals, not Dems.
Don’t let them convince you that they’re the only option with a D by their name
I dunno man, seems like the DNC only lets you get the D if you are neolibed up
Obama abandoned the DNC when he was in office, out of spite because they were working with Hillary against him. Because they were still her and Bill’s people.
So the DNC was literally bought and paid for in 2016.
They didn’t know what the fuck to do and stuck with the same neoliberals for 2016-2020.
Biden won, but he nominated the neoliberals again.
Then, 2024, for the first time in decades, the voting members of the DNC picked a nonbiased state chair instead.
Like, I criticize the past DNC all the time. It’s still worse than most people realize, but today’s DNC is a completely different animal. Most people just don’t understand all this shit so think today’s DNC is in any way similar to the DNC a year ago.
The chair has complete and total control, and it’s a new chair
They may have a new chair, but how are they different? All I see is the same old Dems shitting on progressives and refusing to stand up to republicans.
Well…
It sounds like you’re looking at elected representatives and for some reason you think they’re the DNC…
Neoliberals have been blurring that line for decades, so it’s a common misunderstanding of how our government works, specifically the party system.
The chair runs the party. And is accountable to no one. They don’t even have to show the books to anyone.
Neoliberals in office, prior DNC chairs, and state party chairs ran a corrupt system.
We got a non biased DNC chair now. But that didn’t fix the neoliberals in office, and while it helps the honest state parties and hurts the corrupt ones, fixing the state parties and replacing shitty incumbents still need done.
If you need reassurances about Ken Martin personally, look at how he ran Minnesota for a decade.
Spoiler: it turned a purple state we were losing ground in, to solid blue and home to some of our most progressive House reps. That’s because Martin legitimately doesn’t care who wins a Dem primary. He sees a primary as a chance for voters to pick the candidate most likely to win the general, and just goes with who voters pick
A neoliberal just can’t win a fair primary like that. So the result is progressive gains.
Well that sounds good. What structural changes has Martin instituted in the DNC to make sure the neoliberals can’t hijack the party again?
He’s running fair primaries…
That will allow a progressive to win the primary, and they’d be a slam dunk in the general.
When a Dem is elected president, they nominate a new DNC chair for a four year term. So Martin could very well just be a stepping stone if that hypothetical progressive president wanted to seat a chair who is biased for progressives, but honestly I hope we stick with a fair chair, secure in the knowledge that neoliberals can’t win a fair primary.
As such, the only danger to neoliberals taking the DNC back, is if idiots fall for Pritzker or Newsom and let a neoliberal thru the primary, because they’ll sure as shit nominate a biased neoliberal to run the DNC.
So…
He doesn’t need “structural changes” to stop neoliberals, he just isn’t doing all the bullshit they did.
Like, even talking about “structural changes” means you still don’t understand how powerful the chair is. They’re literally a dictator accountable to no one. If Martin wanted to he could just name a candidate for 2028, and it would be totally legally, but definitely not cool.
He can do whatever the fuck he wants, but so can whoever the next chair is. There’s nothing that can be changed today, that the next chair can’t change day 1.
It’s an incredibly fucked up and undemocratic system. But before we can replace it, we have to have control of it. And we just did the hardest part of that process, billionaire owned media just dont want people to know.
Edit:
But we’re currently in the middle of the largest reinvestment from DNC to state parties. After almost a decade of the DNC robbing state parties thru the “victory fund” bullshit.
That’s why Republicans got the House.
Martin redistributing that stolen wealth back to red/purple state parties is letting them operate at campaign levels already, laying the groundwork for midterms.
It’s not glamours, but it’s what the party should be doing.
They don’t seem keen on that NYC mayor guy.
Who’s “they”?
The DNC chair had this to say about Mamdani:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/dnc-chair-on-the-path-to-winning-back-voters-and-lessons-democrats-can-learn-from-mamdani
That was July 9th too, he’s not bandwagoning, it’s just billionaire owned media really don’t want you to know the person with absolute control over the DNC and it’s war chest supports Mamdani and candidates like him
That venn diagram is nearly a circle
Kinda like third party candidates and Russian assets
“You either support neoliberalism or you’re a Russian asset”
“You either support my party or you’re a traitor to my nation.” - Republicans and Democrats in 2025.
If we’re talking about Jill Stein specifically, the Green Party presidential candidate, I think it’s a bit more of a fair comparison.
For third parties to really have a chance we need to pass ballot initiatives for a new voting system. This gets around the Spoiler Effect that current happens in our First Past the Post system. I’m all for third parties being viable since that would actually pressure Democrats to be more progressive or they risk losing to progressives.
For states with ballot initiatives, that sounds practical. Back when I lived in CT we voted against having ballot initiatives for 20 years. I didn’t want to be unrepresented for 20 years, so I moved to CA.
From the sounds of the question, it sounded misleading and alarmist to voters, especially so if you’re not a tuned in voter. It was basically an open invitation to amend the state constitution rather than to amend it in a specific way.
It’s been close to 20 years since the legislature has even brought something similar to a vote from the sounds of it.
The legislature also tried to pass the ballot initiative in a presidential election year, where the least tuned in voters typically are voting and will vote against anything they may perceive as rocking the status quo.
I don’t blame you for leaving given there hasn’t been a similar initiative since then, but I believe it could be possible there if they were to change the language to be more specific and if they tried to pass it in a mid-term election.
You either ensure the downfall of the united states via conservative policy or you’re an EvIl NeOlIbErAl
You’re the first one to say evil, but OK
I’ve seen this charade before.
Bro this is literally your own logic
Yes sure. And you totally didn’t simp for that piece of shit Linkerbaan in every thread until they got banned for being a fucking troll