• happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    12 hours ago

    https://upway.co/products/aventon-abound-sr-ufp78

    I’d buy this exact bike or monitor their feed for the LR/longrack version. Of all the budget brands, Aventon is your best compromise between price/quality/support network. I have an Aventon Abound LR and it’s great even at full price. It fits 6 bags of groceries on the back (60kg max load), feels really stable and agile, and it has a good suite of antitheft features like an electronic lock and GPS tracking/geofencing. I haven’t had an issue with it in almost 2000km of riding and have only upgraded the tyres to something with more traction. Aventon also has the best ecosystem of accessories unless you spend twice as much for a Tern (which I’m currently planning), so you can get a great child seat and orbiter that fits a cargo tub.

    I also own a commuter bike but never feel the need to take that out over the cargo bike, even if it has better features like a mid-drive motor and belt drive. They’re both limited to the same speed and 32kmh is the perfect balance between safe/fast, so you don’t gain some performance advantage from a lighter bike. The lower centre of gravity on the cargo bike makes it much easier to control at that speed, especially with a full load shifting around, and the step-through design makes it super easy to get on/off of. Wider/smaller tyres make it feel safer over sketchy terrain too. It’s a perfect utilitarian electric donkey.

    • fox [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      7 hours ago

      No kidding. I’ve felt that mid drive would be the best for an ebike just off of where the force is coming from and that bigger tires would be more efficient

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        4 hours ago

        A mid-drive is better on paper but in practice it just feels slightly more responsive than a rear-hub does. On cargo ebikes that’s a $1000 difference and the real upgrade you get from that is a Bosch motor that will last 80k km. That’s one of the things making me look at Tern GSD models ($3500-4000 used), but it isn’t necessary at all and doesn’t add to the experience.

        Larger tyres might also be more efficient on paper, but you’re trading off accessibility and safety. The motor means you’re already going as fast as you can pedal on a normal bike. There’s nothing to gain there from any tyre size. With a kid or cargo you want maximum stability and control over the bike. A small tyre makes it easy to stand at a stoplight, walk it over ice, and load/unload without tipping. Wide ones absorb a lot of shock, handle uneven sidewalks better, and keep you from slipping. I’d only buy a cargo bike with 20" tyres and don’t notice any kind of performance gain from my commuter bike’s 28" ones.

        edit: Also with a kid you’ll be going slower than the 32kmh class 2 limit of a cargo ebike or 45kmh class 3 limit that I don’t consider bike components safe beyond. 24kmh is what I’d consider a safe speed for trail riding with a child or full cargo load because the most important factor there is your ability to stop safely. The level of exertion there is equivalent to casually pedaling at 8kmh on a normal bike.