around 30% of Americans refused or failed to vote in the 2024 election. had they voted, we would probably be seeing Trump and his gaggle of shitbirds thrown in jail.
“oh Israel!” stfu. nobody actually believes that bullshit anymore. it’s clearly been worse under Trump, fuckbrains.
Roughly speaking, the quality of a politician is ranked on their ability to govern, and on their ability to get votes. One or the other isn’t good enough, it has to be both. In Kamala’s case she was marginally better than Trump in one, and marginally worse in the other. Democrats must do much better in both.
As for Israel, there is no reason whatsoever to think it would be any better under Harris. Biden was an ideological Zionist who was never going to put real pressure on Israel. Every indication was that Harris would be more of the same. Trump, through no ideology other than serving his own ego, might have actually done better than either of them ever would have.
A majority of American voters want the US to stop sending any support, military or otherwise, to Israel. Among Democratic voters that rises to 75%. I’m sorry that opposing genocide is too puritanical for your tastes, but you are completely out of touch with what is or isn’t “popular”.
cool, the stat i just looked up from a week ago says only 1/3 of americans disagree with military aid to israeli. and that’s from pew research. 1/3 don’t know, and the other 1/3 think we should support them more.
Mine come from a Quinnipiac poll. No matter what polling you use though, there is a pretty remarkable shift against Israel every time they do another poll. Nobody would have predicted that 1/3 a couple years ago.
“oh Israel!” stfu. nobody actually believes that bullshit
100% I highly doubt the motives of these people, makes me think they have some other agenda going on. Makes no sense they’d prefer this shit over Harris.
It’s not always a strictly logical choice for people. I can totally see how someone with family there would be unable to vote for either candidate. Yes, I was personally able to see my vote as anti trump, but if things were similar under a harris presidency I’d spend my whole life having to reconcile the fact that I did indeed vote for genocide (even if it was justified in my mind at the time). Not everyone wants to do that. And if I can see that problem I don’t understand how professional politicians can’t. People weren’t saying ‘dont vote for her cause genocide’ they were saying ‘some people won’t vote for her cause genocide, maybe enough to swing the thing’ - and they were right. I don’t know why we’re attacking them again and again when they were clearly right.
I get your point, but I’m strictly talking about people on this website whom I probably wrongly assume are more literate about politics and can see right through Trump based on the trends of thought on Lemmy. You can’t tell me that a platform devoted to USA politics that vehemently criticizes his hypocrisy and lies doesn’t realize he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth while doing exactly what Biden would’ve done, but worse.
It seems awfully convenient to US enemies that people on online forums would prefer genocide with their destructive fascism rather than plain old genocide, while actively playing down both under this administration. This shit makes no sense.
Ah, because there’s no genocide happening right now. Right. Also, I’m not American so miss me with your pointless partisan rhetoric. Keep defending pedophiles and the destruction of the US, though. You saved Palestine!
Why, because I’m saying the points matter? Can you really not think of a sensible reason why I’m saying that? Hint: It signals community agreement over your bullshit. Simple fucking as.
Not surprised, coming from someone with this level of reactionary-ass takes who thinks Trump would’ve handled Gaza any differently. Yet here we still are, but worse. Congrats, you saved Gaza!
Israel’s great challenge after the phase of returning the hostages will be the destruction of all of Hamas’s terror tunnels in Gaza, directly by the IDF and through the international mechanism to be established under the leadership and supervision of the United States. This is the primary significance of implementing the agreed-upon principle of demilitarizing Gaza and neutralizing Hamas of its weapons. I have instructed the IDF to prepare for carrying out the mission.
Do you really expect me to take seriously the kind of terminal reddit loser who gets super serious about downvotes and also types in the prose of a completely insufferable dipshit who watches to much Joss Weadon?
she’s not wrong.
around 30% of Americans refused or failed to vote in the 2024 election. had they voted, we would probably be seeing Trump and his gaggle of shitbirds thrown in jail.
“oh Israel!” stfu. nobody actually believes that bullshit anymore. it’s clearly been worse under Trump, fuckbrains.
Roughly speaking, the quality of a politician is ranked on their ability to govern, and on their ability to get votes. One or the other isn’t good enough, it has to be both. In Kamala’s case she was marginally better than Trump in one, and marginally worse in the other. Democrats must do much better in both.
As for Israel, there is no reason whatsoever to think it would be any better under Harris. Biden was an ideological Zionist who was never going to put real pressure on Israel. Every indication was that Harris would be more of the same. Trump, through no ideology other than serving his own ego, might have actually done better than either of them ever would have.
95% of Congress is supports israeli. and the 5% that doesn’t is too out there to ever be a popular candidate for the presidency.
but moral purists want to bang on about gaza as if it’s some critical issue
A majority of American voters want the US to stop sending any support, military or otherwise, to Israel. Among Democratic voters that rises to 75%. I’m sorry that opposing genocide is too puritanical for your tastes, but you are completely out of touch with what is or isn’t “popular”.
cool, the stat i just looked up from a week ago says only 1/3 of americans disagree with military aid to israeli. and that’s from pew research. 1/3 don’t know, and the other 1/3 think we should support them more.
but keep making up your own facts I guess?
Mine come from a Quinnipiac poll. No matter what polling you use though, there is a pretty remarkable shift against Israel every time they do another poll. Nobody would have predicted that 1/3 a couple years ago.
100% I highly doubt the motives of these people, makes me think they have some other agenda going on. Makes no sense they’d prefer this shit over Harris.
Bots, troll farm employees and the truly gullible appreciate you respecting them enough to call them people.
“people who care about genocide aren’t even human”
It’s not always a strictly logical choice for people. I can totally see how someone with family there would be unable to vote for either candidate. Yes, I was personally able to see my vote as anti trump, but if things were similar under a harris presidency I’d spend my whole life having to reconcile the fact that I did indeed vote for genocide (even if it was justified in my mind at the time). Not everyone wants to do that. And if I can see that problem I don’t understand how professional politicians can’t. People weren’t saying ‘dont vote for her cause genocide’ they were saying ‘some people won’t vote for her cause genocide, maybe enough to swing the thing’ - and they were right. I don’t know why we’re attacking them again and again when they were clearly right.
I get your point, but I’m strictly talking about people on this website whom I probably wrongly assume are more literate about politics and can see right through Trump based on the trends of thought on Lemmy. You can’t tell me that a platform devoted to USA politics that vehemently criticizes his hypocrisy and lies doesn’t realize he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth while doing exactly what Biden would’ve done, but worse.
It seems awfully convenient to US enemies that people on online forums would prefer genocide with their destructive fascism rather than plain old genocide, while actively playing down both under this administration. This shit makes no sense.
BlueMAGA loyalists do not care about mass genocide, so they can’t imagine anyone who does could actually be sincere. Pure projection.
Ah, because there’s no genocide happening right now. Right. Also, I’m not American so miss me with your pointless partisan rhetoric. Keep defending pedophiles and the destruction of the US, though. You saved Palestine!
Completely incoherent
Just making shit up, huh. I’m not the one getting downvoted, broski. No wonder I got you at -9 already, probably from saying nonsense like this often.
Jesus Christ, go back to Reddit
Why, because I’m saying the points matter? Can you really not think of a sensible reason why I’m saying that? Hint: It signals community agreement over your bullshit. Simple fucking as.
Not surprised, coming from someone with this level of reactionary-ass takes who thinks Trump would’ve handled Gaza any differently. Yet here we still are, but worse. Congrats, you saved Gaza!
Defense Minister Israel Katz, October 12, 2025
Oh, whoops, more bombing planned supervised by the USA. Look how safe it is now.
Do you really expect me to take seriously the kind of terminal reddit loser who gets super serious about downvotes and also types in the prose of a completely insufferable dipshit who watches to much Joss Weadon?
No, you were just a genocide denier when it was the democrats doing it