The man who stormed a Mormon church with an assault rifle and left four people dead was a self-described "Ultra MAGA" Trump supporter, a former Marine, and a father of one.
Yes, and as your article notes, left wing violence is definitely a thing. If it’s on the rise as I was saying, then it should be concerning to everyone. Not to say that right wing violence isn’t also concerning, but the rise in left wing violence, and even more so the celebration from the left of the Charlie Kirk killing, should be very concerning because it seems to indicate more mainstream left wing acceptance of violence. I’m not speaking for anyone else, but that’s what bothers me.
It looked like you were saying that there are more left wing shooters than right wing shooters. I realize now that you’re saying there are more left wing shooters than there used to be.
It seems to me that left wing violence tends to target the people on the right who promote violence while right wing violence tends to target innocent people whom the right has deemed unworthy of life.
If you want to reduce left wing violence, eliminate the right wing violence.
I’m less concerned about a rise in left wing violence than I am about the increasing reality that unless the left wing embrace violence, we’ll all be killed.
This is exactly what I’m talking about, the increasingly mainstream justification of violence against political opposition. You think right wing extremists don’t read comments like yours as a threat and reach the exact same conclusion/ justification? Violence begets violence.
The problem with your argument is the right wing doesn’t care if there’s a threat or not. If there is no threat, they’ll make one up.
If you want to end political violence, you have to start with the people driving it, and that isn’t the left in the US by any stretch of the imagination.
I didn’t actually call for violence. I expressed a concern that it may be an inevitable consequence of the right’s insistence on violence.
And now you’re adjusting your argument to refer to the extreme left. However, you don’t have to look past the establishment right (Republicans) to find examples of stochastic terrorism.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-more-frequent-and-deadly-than-left-wing-violence-data-shows
Yes, and as your article notes, left wing violence is definitely a thing. If it’s on the rise as I was saying, then it should be concerning to everyone. Not to say that right wing violence isn’t also concerning, but the rise in left wing violence, and even more so the celebration from the left of the Charlie Kirk killing, should be very concerning because it seems to indicate more mainstream left wing acceptance of violence. I’m not speaking for anyone else, but that’s what bothers me.
It looked like you were saying that there are more left wing shooters than right wing shooters. I realize now that you’re saying there are more left wing shooters than there used to be.
It seems to me that left wing violence tends to target the people on the right who promote violence while right wing violence tends to target innocent people whom the right has deemed unworthy of life.
If you want to reduce left wing violence, eliminate the right wing violence.
I’m less concerned about a rise in left wing violence than I am about the increasing reality that unless the left wing embrace violence, we’ll all be killed.
This is exactly what I’m talking about, the increasingly mainstream justification of violence against political opposition. You think right wing extremists don’t read comments like yours as a threat and reach the exact same conclusion/ justification? Violence begets violence.
The problem with your argument is the right wing doesn’t care if there’s a threat or not. If there is no threat, they’ll make one up.
If you want to end political violence, you have to start with the people driving it, and that isn’t the left in the US by any stretch of the imagination.
Are you referring to the establishment left (democrats) or to the extreme left? Because the extreme left is very much calling for violence.
Edit: you just called for violence yourself, under the pretext that otherwise the right will kill you first. How is that any different?
I didn’t actually call for violence. I expressed a concern that it may be an inevitable consequence of the right’s insistence on violence.
And now you’re adjusting your argument to refer to the extreme left. However, you don’t have to look past the establishment right (Republicans) to find examples of stochastic terrorism.
If they are stochastic terrorists then you are as well.
You are not arguing in good faith.