1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn’t want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he’s doing his stream
2 is self-explanatory
1 sure looks like him activating a shock collar because he doesn’t want her allowed to do anything other than sit in one designated spot while he’s doing his stream
2 is self-explanatory
You guys are out of your fucking minds. I’m legitimately getting angry about this.
You can literally see the dew claw, on the back of her leg facing away from the “bed”, in both the frame before, and the frame after, she yelps. It is nowhere near contacting the bed or anything else. I don’t have time to make screenshots but I will make some.
I know that the Hasan subreddit is saying it was her dew claw. They’re also saying it was an air tag collar (and ignoring the big box with the green light). You guys are out of your fucking minds and this man is a massive piece of shit.
Ohhh we got an H3 Stan on a crusade in here. You gonna defend Israel, too?
They’ve been a critic of the Nuremburg Trials in the past, so…
https://lemmy.world/search?q=israel&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=16701947&page=1&sort=TopAll
Like I said, they’ve deteriorated into just nonsense and wild accusations, because that’s what Hasan did about the issue today, and he was super forceful and emotional about it. Not that it matters, even addressing it sort of feeds into the whole “let’s stop talking about the facts and what’s in the videos,” but I don’t like Israel no, and I don’t really even know whether H3 is a person or a channel or what it / he is.
Your anger is not legitimate, the dog’s leg is visibly right up against the bed as she’s stepping back onto it, your obvious desperation for any excuse to discredit this guy is not a good look
Do you agree with the Hasan subreddit that she obviously caught her dew claw on the bed? Or did she maybe just bump her leg on the bed and that was what caused her to suddenly yelp in pain?
(Edit: Fuck me, I’m saying “bed” now. It’s a weird little hard platform, it’s clearly not a bed.)
From what I can see in this clip it’s at least plausible that it was a dew claw or the dog equivalent of bashing your funny bone, I can’t rule out the possibility that he’s using a shock training collar of some kind, but there’s absolutely nothing inherently abusive about those when used responsibly either. If it was a shock collar it was clearly not an extremely high output setting or for an unreasonable duration, not even close to evidence of animal abuse.
So, um, why is Hasan angry at the dog then? And why is he 100% unbothered by the dog clearly being in pain for one reason or another?
“It didn’t happen, but if it did they deserved it anyway” ass excuse. What is this potentially responsible usage in this case? Forcing the dog to stay in the exact same spot for four hours of the stream because it’s a cute prop?
Calling it “angry” is an overstatement, he sounds annoyed, and probably because he’s in the middle of doing his full time job which appears to be an enormous pain in the ass in part thanks to weird obsessed people like you. The “potentially responsible use case” for a training collar is training, fucking duh, the only people generally committed to not accepting that fact are PETA types and nobody cares what they think so you’re gonna have to do better than this if you want anyone to take you seriously. Nobody here has presented any evidence yet for 4 continuous hours, I’ve seen a 56 second clip and a time lapse that claims 4 hours but features multiple extremely obvious cuts, again you’re gonna have to do better.
So what is he training the dog to do?
The clip is the crux of the evidence. The time lapse is just to contextualise how much the dog has moved. Let’s assume that he did shock the dog, what evidence would you require beyond the clip?
Having a dog stay in a bed or crate when they’ve been a pain in the ass is actually pretty common and I think you already know that, it’s called time-out and it’s also commonly used with small children and nobody with a working brain calls that abusive either
The clip does fuck all to even hint at abuse, the time lapse has multiple obvious cuts making any claim about the duration shown or the location of the dog for that duration entirely worthless, your commitment to pretending otherwise makes it extremely obvious that you don’t actually care what the truth is and are just looking for an excuse to smear a streamer you don’t like
This is absolutely wrong. One of the most important things about crate training is that you don’t use “go to your crate!” as a punishment. It’s an emotionally satisfying thing to do if you’re having trouble with your anger or something, but it absolutely fucks up the dog’s training that you are trying to do (or what you should be trying to do, I’m going under the assumption that you’re not a psychopath here).
https://smartdoglearning.com/dog-crate-training-101-how-to-make-the-crate-your-dogs-bff/
I don’t really know shit about dog training, but even I know that.
You also shouldn’t say “Kaya! Please!” “Go ba–” “Stop!” when what you mean is “Place!” and the dog didn’t do a damn wrong. But again, I already know that me saying these things is going to mean nothing to you. Just one of you guys found a new way to piss me off with animal-abuse-apologia, so I wanted to say something about it.
It’s funny how you’re coming up with a barrage of excuses for every possible option, even ignoring Hasan’s own statements. Why are you defending him from the claim that he used a shock collar if he literally said it’s not a shock collar at all? If the sped up video is not proof that the dog was kept in one single place the entire time, why defend the idea that the dog was kept there for hours on end? If the dog wasn’t forced to be there, why was Hasan angry at it for walking out?
You’re really not interested in the truth yourself - you’re not trying to explain the video itself, judging the likelihood of this and that explanation against each other, it’s just about finding every explanation that excuses Hasan, no matter how nonsensical. That’s also why you ignored my question (Let’s assume that he did shock the dog, what evidence would you require beyond the clip?) - you can’t even theoretically imagine something that could convince you he did shock the dog.
Personally, I have a mild dislike for streamers in general (Hasan not particularly standing out among them), it’s a weird and evidently socially unhealthy phenomenon, but in this case I’d probably forget about the situation within a day if I didn’t see so much aggressive, vitriolic and gaslight-y defending of the guy from his fans.
“Time out” for hours on end - that would veer into abusiveness.
It’s amazing how absolutely psychotic your favorite subreddit has made you. Go touch grass homie?
What the absolute fuck are you talking about?
They’ve got a new theory that every single person who is upset about this just got spun up by some equally vacuous anti-Hasan streamer (or, in this case, the “livestreamFail” community on Reddit).
They all started saying it (sometimes even accusing particular people of being fans of some particular anti-Hasan streamer), coincidentally just today right after Hasan spent about 45 minutes on stream saying, more or less, the exact same thing, just over and over again in between saying how awesome he is to his dog, how well-trained she is, how over-the-top correct he is in all his decisions, and how often she’s on stream (and someone not managing to say “and I love her and she’s the best” which honestly would have been a lot more convincing as an explanation for why he would never deliberately hurt her.)
A correct theory, a whole bunch of the push behind this and most other attempts to make people hate Hasan are from Ethan Klein and his fans, I’d say that pretending otherwise would hurt your credibility but as previously stated you have none
They’re talking about you being a terminally online mess, obviously
I don’t find spammers’ random cryptic fantasies about me to be obvious. Neither does your comment seem to actually relate to the above one, other than displaying a similar type of incoherent verbal aggression.
It’s part of the progression. You say something that sounds “defense adjacent,” and is also true. The other option is to just attack the person speaking, or to attack the victim. Dealing with the facts at hand is right out.
Honestly, having watched some of Hasan’s stream today, I kind of get where they pick it up from. He spent, no lie, about 40 minutes just talking continuously about how “they” are out to get him and “they” just think every bad thing about him and obviously he would never hurt his dog and she’s super well trained, basically just doing everything possible to dodge or deflect the accusation, but always in this incredibly condescending tone of voice like what he is saying is obviously the truth and anyone who doesn’t think so is stupid. He actually, to his credit, did address it head-on somewhat after those 40 minutes were up, but still in the most backwards ass way possible (search for “ants” to see my comment about some of the more batshit things he said).
You still have no evidence and less credibility than ever
I only had to scroll back 13 hours to find a comment in your history that references your own carnism1. You likely commit grievous, monstrous cruelty and violence against vulnerable individuals several times a day. If what you are doing is an appropriate response to what this streamer does, then what is my appropriate response to what you are doing?
Your anger is so performative and misdirected. If I had to guess, I would say it is cognitive dissonance pressuring you to find targets for this anger, as a way of making yourself feel like a protector and defender of animals, despite your 24/7 behaviour to the contrary. This is a form of self-licensing. The lies we tell ourselves are not convincing to others. Keep this behaviour to yourself.
Or maybe it’s all just bad faith and you simply have an axe to grind against this guy.
1 How do you know when someone abuses animals? Don’t worry, they tell you, and tell you, and tell you, and tell you, and…
Ethan and Destiny are losers and so are you