The European Union Council is once again debating its controversial message scanning proposal, aka “Chat Control,” that would lead to the scanning of private conversations of billions of …
We’re still working with the previous one. 12 September was the deadline for member states to finalise their position (notably Germany flipped from OPPOSED to UNDECIDED just before the deadline). What happens next is the final vote by MEPs on 14 Oct.
So it’s another opportunity to try to stop the same law as it passes to its final stage. Though even if it passes I assume member states that don’t like it can still just refuse to implement it, particularly those opposing it on constitutional grounds. IANAL, but if Orbán can pick and choose which EU laws Hungary implements then why can’t other member states?
Germany changed its own position after the 12th of September, the meeting on the 14th of October is still the commission, in particular the meetings of the interior ministers that need to decide whether to push the proposal forward to parliament, which then would have to discuss it, amend it, vote on it.
Thank you for clarifying my misunderstandings. I’m not an EU citizen so I’m not well experienced on how the EU works. What I wrote was based on my understanding as an outsider reading various sources. I appreciate you taking the time to correct what I didn’t get quite right.
At any rate, looks like Germany flipped back to opposed yesterday. Keep up the pressure everyone, it’s working.
We’re still working with the previous one. 12 September was the deadline for member states to finalise their position (notably Germany flipped from OPPOSED to UNDECIDED just before the deadline). What happens next is the final vote by MEPs on 14 Oct.
So it’s another opportunity to try to stop the same law as it passes to its final stage. Though even if it passes I assume member states that don’t like it can still just refuse to implement it, particularly those opposing it on constitutional grounds. IANAL, but if Orbán can pick and choose which EU laws Hungary implements then why can’t other member states?
I think there are several small mistakes here.
Germany changed its own position after the 12th of September, the meeting on the 14th of October is still the commission, in particular the meetings of the interior ministers that need to decide whether to push the proposal forward to parliament, which then would have to discuss it, amend it, vote on it.
@skarn @ashughes The meeting on the 14th is the Council, not the Commission.
The proposal has already been through parliament, who have removed the mass-surveillance element.
If the council votes to approve its position on the 14th, then negotations between council and parliament will begin, notably over this element.
In the EU, Council and Parliament deliberate similtaniously, then negotations between the two begin.
Thank you for clarifying my misunderstandings. I’m not an EU citizen so I’m not well experienced on how the EU works. What I wrote was based on my understanding as an outsider reading various sources. I appreciate you taking the time to correct what I didn’t get quite right.
At any rate, looks like Germany flipped back to opposed yesterday. Keep up the pressure everyone, it’s working.