Calcium, salt, sodium, potassium, magnesium, manganese, zinc, iron, and copper. It’s not hard to find. Some of the quantities are given in the percent of a horse’s daily value, so it would be a little more research to figure out how much it would be safe to have, but it’s really basic stuff printed on the side of the tub and on every product listing on the internet. This isn’t some deep dark secret.
Common edible salt, sodium chloride, is properly cleaned for human consumption, this often isn’t the case for animal use. So there can be a lot of dangerous other stuff in there, like heavy metals. Again you list “salt”. What salt? Sodium chloride, potassium chloride, or something else? You know how many salts there are?
You know how fast we can get too much iron? Supplementing iron is something you should only do when your doctor tells you to. Too much calcium is also bad for your bones (become brittle). This can already happen when you drink milk on a daily basis. I don’t know about the rest, but there’s a chance it’s similarly dangerous to randomly supplement those too.
If you want cheap electrolytes, buy ORS. Or make your own ORS mix, you can find online how to make it (plain kitchen salt or several salts if you’re fancy, and sugar, in water).
For fucks sake, dude. It’s an ingredient list. Salt means sodium chloride, obviously.
Too much of anything is bad for you. The dose is the poison and all that. I started this whole conversation by saying it would be important to make sure to check all the doses to make sure you don’t have too much of anything. The iron supplement is listed in ppm, by the way. Probably you’d survive.
I don’t want any electrolyte replacers. I’m not an athlete. I have no need for them. I don’t drink gatorade, so I don’t need a cheaper alternative. I just was trying to make a point about the FDA not being trustworthy, and you’re trying to win some stupid internet debate with delusions about feeding horses heavy metals like they aren’t toxic to horses as well. I looked up the full, actual detailed ingredient list (You can find it yourself if you don’t trust me. It’s not hard.) and the only things that are remotely close to being even a little problematic for humans are copper sulfate and cobalt sulfate, which are listed at 10 ppm and 0.3 ppm respectively. That is several orders of magnitude less than any kind of amount that would be anywhere near dangerous. Just don’t take so much that you give yourself hyperkalemia and you’d be fine.
My three biggest skepticisms with taking horse electrolytes:
I would be suspicious of the quality and food-safety (ie., cleanliness) of the product. I have seen leaked videos of feed for animals being full of discarded plastic products. Products for them do tend to be of lower quality.
These ingredients are all just mixed together right? If it’s formulated for a horse, you’re not realistically going to be able to find an ideal dose for yourself because the ratios of ingredients are already set, and they’re not going to match human daily values. To get a safe dose you would have to keep it low enough to ensure none of the ingredients are approaching toxic limits, by which point you’re probably getting negligible amounts of the other ingredients.
Just why? In general you are best off getting your nutrients from food, real, whole food. The only two ingredients I see there that I tend to “supplement” is sodium and potassium - sodium as iodized salt because iodine is hard to get through diet alone; and potassium because mixing a 50/50 or even 75/25 ratio of potassium to salt is a good way to balance out the hypertensive and artery hardening properties of sodium with an electrolyte that reduces blood pressure, as well as being a convenient way to get potassium. Neither of those things are very expensive.
It’s important to know that the way we prepare food for livestock is very, very, VERY different from how we prepare food for other animals. The regulations aren’t really any different, but in fact the actual quality is orders of magnitude different. Also, I’ve worked in places that prepare food for grocery stores in the US, and it ain’t always pretty.
True, but it’s a sports drink, not a multivitamin. You wouldn’t and shouldn’t be doing it to get 100% of everything you need. This is one of those situations where close is good enough.
I dunno. I don’t drink human sports drinks either. I’m not recommending anyone actually do it. I just said I trust the people making horse electrolytes more than I trust the FDA. I still stand by that. You REALLY don’t want to piss off horse people.
Calcium, salt, sodium, potassium, magnesium, manganese, zinc, iron, and copper. It’s not hard to find. Some of the quantities are given in the percent of a horse’s daily value, so it would be a little more research to figure out how much it would be safe to have, but it’s really basic stuff printed on the side of the tub and on every product listing on the internet. This isn’t some deep dark secret.
Common edible salt, sodium chloride, is properly cleaned for human consumption, this often isn’t the case for animal use. So there can be a lot of dangerous other stuff in there, like heavy metals. Again you list “salt”. What salt? Sodium chloride, potassium chloride, or something else? You know how many salts there are?
You know how fast we can get too much iron? Supplementing iron is something you should only do when your doctor tells you to. Too much calcium is also bad for your bones (become brittle). This can already happen when you drink milk on a daily basis. I don’t know about the rest, but there’s a chance it’s similarly dangerous to randomly supplement those too.
If you want cheap electrolytes, buy ORS. Or make your own ORS mix, you can find online how to make it (plain kitchen salt or several salts if you’re fancy, and sugar, in water).
For fucks sake, dude. It’s an ingredient list. Salt means sodium chloride, obviously.
Too much of anything is bad for you. The dose is the poison and all that. I started this whole conversation by saying it would be important to make sure to check all the doses to make sure you don’t have too much of anything. The iron supplement is listed in ppm, by the way. Probably you’d survive.
I don’t want any electrolyte replacers. I’m not an athlete. I have no need for them. I don’t drink gatorade, so I don’t need a cheaper alternative. I just was trying to make a point about the FDA not being trustworthy, and you’re trying to win some stupid internet debate with delusions about feeding horses heavy metals like they aren’t toxic to horses as well. I looked up the full, actual detailed ingredient list (You can find it yourself if you don’t trust me. It’s not hard.) and the only things that are remotely close to being even a little problematic for humans are copper sulfate and cobalt sulfate, which are listed at 10 ppm and 0.3 ppm respectively. That is several orders of magnitude less than any kind of amount that would be anywhere near dangerous. Just don’t take so much that you give yourself hyperkalemia and you’d be fine.
My three biggest skepticisms with taking horse electrolytes:
I would be suspicious of the quality and food-safety (ie., cleanliness) of the product. I have seen leaked videos of feed for animals being full of discarded plastic products. Products for them do tend to be of lower quality.
These ingredients are all just mixed together right? If it’s formulated for a horse, you’re not realistically going to be able to find an ideal dose for yourself because the ratios of ingredients are already set, and they’re not going to match human daily values. To get a safe dose you would have to keep it low enough to ensure none of the ingredients are approaching toxic limits, by which point you’re probably getting negligible amounts of the other ingredients.
Just why? In general you are best off getting your nutrients from food, real, whole food. The only two ingredients I see there that I tend to “supplement” is sodium and potassium - sodium as iodized salt because iodine is hard to get through diet alone; and potassium because mixing a 50/50 or even 75/25 ratio of potassium to salt is a good way to balance out the hypertensive and artery hardening properties of sodium with an electrolyte that reduces blood pressure, as well as being a convenient way to get potassium. Neither of those things are very expensive.