• panda_abyss@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    They create housing supply by consuming the housing supply and skimming a profit in the middle.

    Nothing unethical about that. Nope.

    • /home/pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 days ago

      If the landlord doesn’t increase rent like crazy and just follows the market or under the market is that better? Given that they try to do their best to complete requested repairs and everything to make tenants happy?

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        17 hours ago

        That’s a property manager, not a landlord. Property managers work to manage the properties, landlords just own stuff and get paid to tell property managers to do it all for them.

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          Some landlords don’t have property managers. Even if they do, what’s the harm? Everything still gets fixed on a timely manner and if prices are at or below market

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            Because now they are draining income from tenants without providing services. Landlords don’t work, but get money, not just from thin air, but from the people who live in those places. To pay enough for the landlord and the property manager it requires more money than just a property manager. Not to mention landlords have no one stopping them from just increasing rent if the laws don’t stop them and they raise it with other landlords (which is happened right now). What are people going to do? Move? To another place that’s just as expensive? Plus moving is expensive by itself.

            I see what you are trying to say, but its missing huge chunks of what’s happening in actuality.

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        Sounds like that is trying to provide a fair service. But the landlord-lease arrangement structure will always encourage abuse in the long run due to the power dynamic.

        I’m not an academic but maybe a co-owner / management model could be more equitable.

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        • one is a neccesity to live, the other quite optional
        • housing space in cities is very limited, server hardware is not, it’s mass produced based on demand
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            God it’s so depressing knowing that people like you vote and make decisions that effect others.

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            Did you forget that the industrial revolution happened or something? How the fuck is anybody gonna make a living if they can’t live near where all the workplaces are???

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              Car.

              And jobs by necessity also exist outside cities. Do you think everyone just drives to the nearest city for their Dr, for groceries, for food? Come on now.

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                Perfect, you’ve now successfully created a car-dependent society. Deaths by auto accident have skyrocketed, your people are constantly road-raging for some unforeseen reason, and your air quality sucks. But muh freedumbs.

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                  And? I just described the current situation. I made no comments on whether it’s good, bad, etc. Person asked, I answered.

                  Acting like there isn’t a solution is stupid. The solution has a bunch of problems, but so does starving to death. I wish we had better options, but you can’t enact change on a system until you’ve secured your own survival.

              • Nat (she/they)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                Some people can, but if you tried to get a majority of the population to it’d be a disaster. You’d run out of jobs, have roads taking up a ridiculous amount of space, crippling traffic, social isolation from being unable to see others easily (already a thing in suburban and rural areas), and ecological disaster.

                Most people have to live in cities.

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                  I think you overestimate the population of cities outside of the major ones like NYC, and the issues of less developed areas. Yeah, it’s not as efficient as cities and is ultimately killing our planet. High density housing and public transit is absolutely the best way forward. But in order for me to work towards good, I need to survive in the reality that currently exists.

                  All I was saying was that it’s not impossible to find a job and survive outside a city.

                  I’ve probably got some neurospicy shit causing it (diagnosed with ADHD, “soft” diagnosed with high functioning autism spectrum something from when I lived with a retired diagnostician for a few months, but nothing truly official): I have issues when people act like something they don’t want to do is just impossible. You refuse to do it on principal, or for other reasons, fine. But don’t say somthing so ridiculously false.

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            I mean they kind of do, the current world population is about 8 billion people and the land area of earth is about 150 billion square meters. If everyone lived on their own land, ignoring that some land is uninhabitable, that would mean only about 19 square meters of space per person. And keep in mind that is leaving no room for public spaces, businesses, roads, railroads, etc

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        Server hardware isn’t constrained in the same way. You can’t just build more of the same houses, because the land is already used.

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        If it really was the same as all other intermediaries, it would make you wonder why they’d be so scared of answering moral or philosophical questions about landlording that they had to make it into a rule and not just ignore them.

        Luckily, we don’t have to worry about that problem, as the answer is obvious.