Well, yeah, fair point lol, I definitely have an imagined “type” in mind here and jumped to the assumption that it’s all those who are vocally “lesser of two evils”.
Really I was less making an assumption and more just (inaccurately, as you pointed out) using that as shorthand for the set of voters who vote lesser of two evils, but then go on to do the kinds of shit that allows for the image above. Berate others for daring to demand more than two evils, or encourage trying to find common ground with the increasingly far right as a viable means of progress, and worse.
You’re right, it’s not everyone who talks about the importance of still voting when it’s two bad candidates, and I myself think it’s important to do that. I think it just feels like the folks who are always making the discussion about that idea are also usually the ones doing the other destructive (while condescendingly ~well-intentioned) stuff I was describing. Sounds like you feel the opposite, which I’m willing to chalk up to the nature of having different experiences, idk. Definitely not common enough to use as shorthand apparently, that’s on me.
Berate others for daring to demand more than two evils
I don’t think it’s for “daring to demand”, it’s more about the nature, mechanics, and outcome of the demand.
I’m all for developing better alternatives in the background while applying effective pressure on the lesser evil, to establish a foundation to make demands when the time is right and the social apparatus is prepared to enforce those demands.
I’m not at all about protest abstention or pushing longshot third parties. At least a part of the voices pushing for that reek of bad faith actors deliberately trying to cause fractures to give greater evil better odds. Not all of it, but even some of the rest is just parroting psy-op taking points.
I agree just voting isn’t enough, but I think most of the voices that care enough to keep people voting strategically in the face of these fractures care enough to be taking other actions too. The lazy, self-righteous ones don’t care enough to push any strategy at all.
Well, yeah, fair point lol, I definitely have an imagined “type” in mind here and jumped to the assumption that it’s all those who are vocally “lesser of two evils”.
Really I was less making an assumption and more just (inaccurately, as you pointed out) using that as shorthand for the set of voters who vote lesser of two evils, but then go on to do the kinds of shit that allows for the image above. Berate others for daring to demand more than two evils, or encourage trying to find common ground with the increasingly far right as a viable means of progress, and worse.
You’re right, it’s not everyone who talks about the importance of still voting when it’s two bad candidates, and I myself think it’s important to do that. I think it just feels like the folks who are always making the discussion about that idea are also usually the ones doing the other destructive (while condescendingly ~well-intentioned) stuff I was describing. Sounds like you feel the opposite, which I’m willing to chalk up to the nature of having different experiences, idk. Definitely not common enough to use as shorthand apparently, that’s on me.
I don’t think it’s for “daring to demand”, it’s more about the nature, mechanics, and outcome of the demand.
I’m all for developing better alternatives in the background while applying effective pressure on the lesser evil, to establish a foundation to make demands when the time is right and the social apparatus is prepared to enforce those demands.
I’m not at all about protest abstention or pushing longshot third parties. At least a part of the voices pushing for that reek of bad faith actors deliberately trying to cause fractures to give greater evil better odds. Not all of it, but even some of the rest is just parroting psy-op taking points.
I agree just voting isn’t enough, but I think most of the voices that care enough to keep people voting strategically in the face of these fractures care enough to be taking other actions too. The lazy, self-righteous ones don’t care enough to push any strategy at all.