At first I thought you were agreeing with me, and then I saw you reference my “that bad” in an apparent rebuttal. I was taking issue with only the last sentence of BroBot’s comment, which assumes much more and much worse than just dogma is present every religion.
I probably abstract on a more broad layer than I manage to communicate. Those things mentioned like grooming and pedophilia are certainly not universal to all members but they are enabled by the collective dogma.
The dogma and institutions create an outsourced imitation of morality and ethics. However, they only possess the mechanisms of shame and guilt to alter behavior. These systems cannot create positive change or growth. They actually incentivise simply not getting caught.
So while everyone is not actively grooming or a pedo, the overall system is fundamentally flawed and enables groomers and pedos in a way that can be construed as universally harmful under the auspice of dogma.
In addition, the culture of dichotomous logic prevents open discussion and actionable help for those that may find children arousing. It is a major failure when the taboo is in such great conflict with the Epstein list where obviously most of elite society has engaged in the behavior.
My issue is that religion is outsourcing of morality and ethics. That is not real morality or ethics at all. It is harmful tribalism. Yeah, I pin dogma to the issue of groomers and pedos because dogma indicts the entire tribalistic structure for the behavior at the margins.
I’m totally liberal friend. I am stupid about a great many things too. I call out the issues I see. I escaped the religion of my birth. I know the fallacy well. Everyone has a right to be wrong in a real democracy. They have no right to cause harm to others. The Hippocratic aphorism, “first, do no harm” is the most important principal. So just live and let live. So long as the person is not causing you bad health or violence, they have every right to live in peace.
At first I thought you were agreeing with me, and then I saw you reference my “that bad” in an apparent rebuttal. I was taking issue with only the last sentence of BroBot’s comment, which assumes much more and much worse than just dogma is present every religion.
I probably abstract on a more broad layer than I manage to communicate. Those things mentioned like grooming and pedophilia are certainly not universal to all members but they are enabled by the collective dogma.
The dogma and institutions create an outsourced imitation of morality and ethics. However, they only possess the mechanisms of shame and guilt to alter behavior. These systems cannot create positive change or growth. They actually incentivise simply not getting caught.
So while everyone is not actively grooming or a pedo, the overall system is fundamentally flawed and enables groomers and pedos in a way that can be construed as universally harmful under the auspice of dogma.
In addition, the culture of dichotomous logic prevents open discussion and actionable help for those that may find children arousing. It is a major failure when the taboo is in such great conflict with the Epstein list where obviously most of elite society has engaged in the behavior.
My issue is that religion is outsourcing of morality and ethics. That is not real morality or ethics at all. It is harmful tribalism. Yeah, I pin dogma to the issue of groomers and pedos because dogma indicts the entire tribalistic structure for the behavior at the margins.
Yeah I agree it enables that and creates an environment for it to thrive, but I’m not into Minority Report-ing people for things they haven’t done yet
I’m totally liberal friend. I am stupid about a great many things too. I call out the issues I see. I escaped the religion of my birth. I know the fallacy well. Everyone has a right to be wrong in a real democracy. They have no right to cause harm to others. The Hippocratic aphorism, “first, do no harm” is the most important principal. So just live and let live. So long as the person is not causing you bad health or violence, they have every right to live in peace.
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