• PugJesus@piefed.socialOPM
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    Explanation: Latin looks and sounds cool, but it is a Hell Language with infinite declensions and conjugations and other minor grammatical nuances. You want to learn someone’s pronouns in Latin? Best get a paper and pad, it’ll take a while. Pronouns aren’t as important in Latin, though, as it’s a pro-drop language. Context usually fills in for pronouns.

    Also, mandatory statement that ‘they/them’ is a perfectly good singular gender-neutral pronoun and I will die on this hill.

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      Those aren’t really distinct pronouns the guy is listing, it’s just different grammar cases for the same pronouns.

      Pronouns are what you use instead of a name of a thing. Literally.

      I don’t understand why people have a hard time using they/them.

      Frankly my native language doesn’t even have gendered pronouns, and people learning English very often default to “he” instead of she. Trying to teach them why it matters gives me a headache 9/10 times. Not because it’s hard, but because they’re stubborn cunts who just don’t want to respect people.

      That being said, I’ll use neopronouns… when they get into common usage. Like I won’t misgender you, but also it’s quite a lot to ask everyone to replace a standard part of their speech with something you’ve come up with, like “brandflierpantdierself” or something. We already have parts of speech which you can individualise to yourself; it’s called a name. If you have a unique way that people are supposed yo call you that is a name. Nomen. Not a pro-nomen, unless we consider nicknames pronouns. Hell most of the people reading this wouldn’t be able to correctly pronounce my name, but I understand it’s because they’re not used to seeing names like it, so it doesn’t bother me.

      So yeah, not against neopronouns but I don’t think they’re actually pronouns before they’re in common usage. Until then their more just… nouns.

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        Frankly, (and from the biased perspective of an it/they trans enby) I’d personally prefer that English dropped gendered pronouns and honorifics entirely. They’re an inconvenience to conversation, an unnecessary social guessing game built right into the language, and expanding their number with neopronouns and neohonorifics is very unlikely to catch on with the majority of the population.

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      Just to clarify, They/Them works for ambiguous situations where you aren’t sure about a person’s pronouns. If someone tells you their pronouns, you should use that instead of they/them. Some people use they/them, but not all nonbinary individuals use them.

      When in doubt, it’s OK to ask.

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        I meant it in the sense of “Those who don’t think they/them works as singular”

        Roses are red, violets are blue

        Singular ‘they’ predates singular ‘you’

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      Such drama! 6 declinations, of which really only 5 are used! (But many exceptions, and if I remember correctly some 5 classes of declinations) but really, bellus-bellus-belli whatever…

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      No, absolutely not. I will not accept such blatant lies! Just because you would prefer it that way doesn’t mean you can force everyone else to accept you manic dillusions! Latin neither looks, nor does it sound cool and I will die on that hill!