I mean he made his brand on ragebaiting and being a contrarian, he can’t be surprised that sometimes it erupts against him. I don’t think anyone even knows his true politics, he’s been called a trot, ultra, whatever else and he doesn’t seem to want to correct the record. I remember opening his xinjiang genocide video where he wanted to do a ‘fair assessment’ and then he just swallowed the entire western narrative (but communistically) and then at the end said “but maybe it’s not true” or something like that. yeah very fair. Great representation from a self-proclaimed communist, literally set the topic back a couple years with that video.
But this is why I don’t watch money youtubers, or political youtubers in general. Their existence is predicated on making money, it’s a job, and so they say things that seem to make them money. With that said I sympathize with him over the harassment he’s facing from ethan klein.
In regards to zionism honestly all arguments about “80% jews support it” miss the forest for the trees. Is there something innate in Jews that predisposes them towards genocide? This is the actual question. And you have two answers: either it’s a yes and so you must genocide them before they genocide you (the mysticist idealist pov), or it’s a no and there can be judaism without zionism (the materialist pov).
There has been judaism for thousands of years without zionism. zionism is a very recent phenomenon. It’s also not innate to Jews or judaism; lots of different peoples have participated in colonialism and settler-colonialism. Even we were we not communists would easily be taken in by colonial narratives if we were in a position of power where we profited from that colonialism. Some communists still do lol.
In Jewish teachings Israel is indeed the homeland of Jews (using the name, not the entity as it exists) but they have been forced to wander the world until the coming of the messiah. So it is forbidden for them to go back until then. zionism is a 'new’er development that estimates the messiah has already come and so it’s fine to recreate israel. it also distorts traditional jewish theology to justify colonialism, a lot of it has been poisoned even in anti-zionist jews. They rewrite history to suit their entity.
Some people ask, “but why jews though?” as if it needed an answer for our praxis to happen. but we don’t even know for sure why european colonialism happen. There have been dozens of theories and they are all left wanting (my own theory is it shows healthy capitalism that needs to kickstart early profits and workers, but it doesn’t really explain how europe was able to start colonizing, and why them specifically).
there is also no argument agains jews living in palestine alongside palestinians. Jews have lived in Palestine since before zionism, and were accepted into Palestine at the time of the Ottoman mandate. Not all jews left Palestine but the mizrahi, as I understand it, is an invention by “israel” to try and legitimize themselves. There are Iranian Jews, Iraqi Jews, etc. they didn’t historically form the mizrahi.
Sure 80% of Jews, at least in the US, support israel to varying degrees. So do Christians. By number christians are the largest zionist cohort. Non-religious people also support israel because a whole lot of people support zionism even when you explain it to them.
the fact that it’s (nominally) ‘jewish’ colonialism… does it really make a difference? Is that really a useful distinction? Do we differentiate white colonialism from other types? I think rather this is a defensive mechanism from other settler-colonies to deflect that they are also settlers, and that 500 years time do not erase such ties. Looking into how ‘israel’ operates in practice I see no difference with any other settler-colonial project, they do it with modern weapons but it’s the same thing. You even have the naive abolitionists (“communist party of israel”) lol
If I’m remembering right, the BE video had some true information (like legitimate sources), but the biggest problem was with how he interpreted what he saw through the absurd mental gymnastics of the western propaganda machine (one example I remember was him saying that a video of Uyghurs performing cultural dances for a reporter means their culture must be suppressed the rest of the time). There are way more informed sources out there.
In regards to zionism honestly all arguments about “80% jews support it” miss the forest for the trees. Is there something innate in Jews that predisposes them towards genocide? This is the actual question. And you have two answers: either it’s a yes and so you must genocide them before they genocide you (the mysticist idealist pov), or it’s a no and there can be judaism without zionism (the materialist pov).
Right, so genocide is never the answer for any reason whatsoever. Period. That idea validates genocide as a means to an end/ “self defense”, and quite frankly sounds like a Zionist argument trying to defend why Jews/Judaism absolutely requires genocide. We can point out societal problems that different groups of peoples have (and every nation on earth that has ever and will ever exist had/has/will have problems) in an effort to get them addressed in a nonviolent manner. There is only 1 answer if we are being honest and two answers if we’re being fascists.
Contrary to popular belief: it’s actually in the material interest for Jews to be Zionists the same way it’s a material interest for whites to be white supremacists. Absolutely being a piece of shit has its material benefits, but you shouldn’t do that because it’s unethical and morally reprehensible. Similarly, everyone here is a communist because it’s the most ethical and morally good thing to support; not because productive forces line go up.
The reason you see so many anti-zionist/non-zionist Jews isn’t because they’re afraid of the " material consequences" of being a genocide supporter, it’s because genocide is disgusting and any good hearted individual with a hint of sympathy and compassion will obviously be against it. Jew or otherwise.
I mean he made his brand on ragebaiting and being a contrarian, he can’t be surprised that sometimes it erupts against him. I don’t think anyone even knows his true politics, he’s been called a trot, ultra, whatever else and he doesn’t seem to want to correct the record. I remember opening his xinjiang genocide video where he wanted to do a ‘fair assessment’ and then he just swallowed the entire western narrative (but communistically) and then at the end said “but maybe it’s not true” or something like that. yeah very fair. Great representation from a self-proclaimed communist, literally set the topic back a couple years with that video.
But this is why I don’t watch money youtubers, or political youtubers in general. Their existence is predicated on making money, it’s a job, and so they say things that seem to make them money. With that said I sympathize with him over the harassment he’s facing from ethan klein.
In regards to zionism honestly all arguments about “80% jews support it” miss the forest for the trees. Is there something innate in Jews that predisposes them towards genocide? This is the actual question. And you have two answers: either it’s a yes and so you must genocide them before they genocide you (the mysticist idealist pov), or it’s a no and there can be judaism without zionism (the materialist pov).
There has been judaism for thousands of years without zionism. zionism is a very recent phenomenon. It’s also not innate to Jews or judaism; lots of different peoples have participated in colonialism and settler-colonialism. Even we were we not communists would easily be taken in by colonial narratives if we were in a position of power where we profited from that colonialism. Some communists still do lol.
In Jewish teachings Israel is indeed the homeland of Jews (using the name, not the entity as it exists) but they have been forced to wander the world until the coming of the messiah. So it is forbidden for them to go back until then. zionism is a 'new’er development that estimates the messiah has already come and so it’s fine to recreate israel. it also distorts traditional jewish theology to justify colonialism, a lot of it has been poisoned even in anti-zionist jews. They rewrite history to suit their entity.
Some people ask, “but why jews though?” as if it needed an answer for our praxis to happen. but we don’t even know for sure why european colonialism happen. There have been dozens of theories and they are all left wanting (my own theory is it shows healthy capitalism that needs to kickstart early profits and workers, but it doesn’t really explain how europe was able to start colonizing, and why them specifically).
there is also no argument agains jews living in palestine alongside palestinians. Jews have lived in Palestine since before zionism, and were accepted into Palestine at the time of the Ottoman mandate. Not all jews left Palestine but the mizrahi, as I understand it, is an invention by “israel” to try and legitimize themselves. There are Iranian Jews, Iraqi Jews, etc. they didn’t historically form the mizrahi.
Sure 80% of Jews, at least in the US, support israel to varying degrees. So do Christians. By number christians are the largest zionist cohort. Non-religious people also support israel because a whole lot of people support zionism even when you explain it to them.
the fact that it’s (nominally) ‘jewish’ colonialism… does it really make a difference? Is that really a useful distinction? Do we differentiate white colonialism from other types? I think rather this is a defensive mechanism from other settler-colonies to deflect that they are also settlers, and that 500 years time do not erase such ties. Looking into how ‘israel’ operates in practice I see no difference with any other settler-colonial project, they do it with modern weapons but it’s the same thing. You even have the naive abolitionists (“communist party of israel”) lol
Do you know of any better videos/sources on Xinjiang? I’m realizing most of my knowledge is from that video which is problematic.
there was a thread the other day with some sources and info https://lemmygrad.ml/post/9258972
This video has an actual Uyghur talking about her life experience and addressing some of the western lies: https://youtu.be/a1po9oTVtYw
This also has a lot of information and sources: https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
If I’m remembering right, the BE video had some true information (like legitimate sources), but the biggest problem was with how he interpreted what he saw through the absurd mental gymnastics of the western propaganda machine (one example I remember was him saying that a video of Uyghurs performing cultural dances for a reporter means their culture must be suppressed the rest of the time). There are way more informed sources out there.
Additionally, Daniel Dumbrill, the other guest in the YouTube video, has done a bunch of debunking. Any video with him would be a good resource.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Right, so genocide is never the answer for any reason whatsoever. Period. That idea validates genocide as a means to an end/ “self defense”, and quite frankly sounds like a Zionist argument trying to defend why Jews/Judaism absolutely requires genocide. We can point out societal problems that different groups of peoples have (and every nation on earth that has ever and will ever exist had/has/will have problems) in an effort to get them addressed in a nonviolent manner. There is only 1 answer if we are being honest and two answers if we’re being fascists.
Contrary to popular belief: it’s actually in the material interest for Jews to be Zionists the same way it’s a material interest for whites to be white supremacists. Absolutely being a piece of shit has its material benefits, but you shouldn’t do that because it’s unethical and morally reprehensible. Similarly, everyone here is a communist because it’s the most ethical and morally good thing to support; not because productive forces line go up.
The reason you see so many anti-zionist/non-zionist Jews isn’t because they’re afraid of the " material consequences" of being a genocide supporter, it’s because genocide is disgusting and any good hearted individual with a hint of sympathy and compassion will obviously be against it. Jew or otherwise.