When will be your “this is the last fucking time I’m voting for the ‘lesser of two evils’, then I don’t care after that, let this country burn to the ground”? For me, this is basically it. This is last election I’m going for that " lesser of two evils" bullshit. After that I’m done. It’s just pointless. Let’s hear it.

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    You’re probably gonna continue reading doomer posts on the internet, getting grey hairs and high blood pressure

    But the one chance you can do something to change things

    You just won’t?

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        sigh

        Your vote matters just as much as everyone else’s. So you’re saying nobody’s vote matters? Clearly that’s not the case. Unless there’s something special about your vote compared to everyone else’s. I understand what you’re getting at, but the conclusion that you shouldn’t vote is flawed.

        Your vote doesn’t decide the election on its own. Does that mean it doesn’t matter? Absolutely not.

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          Your vote matters just as much as everyone else’s.

          That is mathematically not true, the electoral college exists. Also, the candidate with less votes than their opponent has won 1/3 of US elections in the 21st century. So even if the voters go out and vote, there is a 1/3 chance the person that gets the most votes will lose the election in modern US politics.

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            Fuckers learned nothing from 2016 and want us to skip merrily down their spiral of ignorance and evil right along with them, ignoring the evidence of our eyes the entire way

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          Le epic redditer moment

          Your vote matters just as much as everyone else’s.

          Unless you live in non-swing state in which case your vote literally means nothing as you’re a minority voter for at least the next 30 years. Even then, the vote of someone in a state with a small population gives more of a share of electoral college votes than a populous state. Plus the whole 2 senators a state thing etc etc.

          Your whole position is flawed. You’re reversing the responsibility of ensuring people get to vote. Politicians are well paid professionals whose entire job is to ensure that their political plans come to fruition. Blaming some doomer online for the failures of the party is completely missing the point.

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            Le epic redditer moment

            Look dude we’re both insufferable, let’s stay on topic

            If you believe your vote doesn’t matter, then you believe nobody’s vote matters. Clearly that’s not true. I get that voting for the less popular candidate won’t win the election for you. Boo hoo. Don’t conflate “losing the election” with “not mattering” though.

            If you believe your vote doesn’t matter, you either believe:

            • all votes are not equal (within a given election) or
            • the elections are entirely rigged
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              If you believe your vote doesn’t matter, you either believe: all votes are not equal (within a given election).

              Yeah, like I explained in my original comment in great detail exactly how and why certain votes are not equal.

              I struck a nerve with the redditor comment considering you responded to that 4 word sentence but not the paragraph explaining basic American Electoral structure.

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              the elections are entirely rigged

              DING DING DING! One hand washes the other, the Overton Window ratchets to the right with no pushback from the democrats, and this was ALL rigged from the start to ensure the settlers never had to give up the power they stole, raped, murdered, and genocided for. The problem is, you can never accept this answer; because it would mean confronting the difficult idea that everything you were ever taught as a child in the west was a fucking lie, meant to keep you thoughtlessly benefiting off their system.

              And since you are benefiting, and have been benefiting for so long, you’ll do any thing, and throw any one under the bus to keep those benefits pouring. I don’t even know why I’m wasting the electrons when I know you’re just going to posture like the insufferable liberal smuggard you’ve come off as thus far, I’m going to ache for the death of your country and the falsehoods your leaders claim as morals, and we’ll both have gotten nowhere but closer to the heat death of the universe-- or maybe just the climate apocalypse that your leaders seem hellbent on ignoring as we sail right past 2C this year. 25 years ahead of schedule.

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        That’s fair. I’m just trying to say, consider how you direct that resentment. It might be far healthier in the long run to limit how much you consume news media, rather than swearing off voting

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        You’re going to be worse than sick of it all when through action or inaction, you allow a proven authoritarian to take power. Then, you will no longer HAVE a choice and you think the government sucks now? You’ve got a rude awakening on the horizon.

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          Maybe we NEED shit to get majorly worse so people can actually take action and make the change they need themselves? I feel like people are getting complacent with the Democrats’ bullshit argument of “hey, look at us, we are a teeny meeny bit better than the other guys. See? Aaaahhhh. Now stfu and vote for us and be thankful”. I feel like this is their way of not doing much, and doing very little to look better than the other fuckers.

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            You’re not making sense. You’re “sick of it all” so you want to make things catastrophically worse. It’s at best an ill-considered position, at worst one might think you are spreading a terrible idea on purpose.

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              I understand your position on what I’m saying. It’s fucked up, I know. Nothing in our politics makes shit of a sense either.