Saint-Raphaël's right-wing mayor, no stranger to media stunts, has vowed to 'put an end to the lies about the reality of communist totalitarianism.' In response, the French Communist Party and other left-wing groups denounced the 'revisionism of history.'
When a liberal country says this, the only minority they’re protecting is the capitalist class.
Are China and Vietnam less democratic because they grant autonomy and special representation to minorities? I wouldn’t say so, because democracy means rule by the people and those people’s unique situations mean they’re affected differently by the same rules, so its more democratic for them to have their own institutions and protections.
Honestly I am divided on the subject; you have a hmong sending their children out to beg or dance on a school night, its the end result of a cascade of social failures. I don’t think it could be solved by giving the minority fewer tools to deal with it.
few labour camps for political opponents
All prisoners are political.
But also spending a few months working alongside the people you’re supposed to represent is an ideal punishment for failures to represent them, IIRC both president Xi and his father were purged at various points.
Imagine if the people of Arizona/WV could have recalled Kyrstyn Synoma/Manchin and sent them to plant trees for 6 months in 2020.
When a liberal country says this, the only minority they’re protecting is the capitalist class.
Yet, in modern democracies in Europe you have protective clauses granting special rights for minorities. Both the Soviet Union and China meanwhile are/were extremly keen on streamlining the local culture under the roof of Russian/Han leadership. If the system works so well for the average worker, why the need to suppress local cultures, languages, religions…? Be it in Sinkiang or in Tibet. Why do the Chinese think that the Han culture is surpreme to all the other cultures on current Chinese territory if the common struggle of the working class knows no (cultural) borders?
All prisoners are political.
Yet you won’t find that many people in stable democracies that are imprisoned for their political views, not to mention labour camps. In the totalitarian states, however, both a far more common.
But also spending a few months working alongside the people you’re supposed to represent is an ideal punishment for failures to represent them, IIRC both president Xi and his father were purged at various points.
The big question remains whether these potential purges were actually initiated by the people (the masses) or by the party (the elites). The fundamental dilemma remains whether the interest of the party is actually equal with the interest of the people, despite the omnipresent label that the elites act on behalf of the masses. In case of the Soviet model implemented in their bloc, the verdict of the people actually living under it have been rather clear: the vast majority of people having lived in such a system and managed to overcome it absolutely don’t want to go back to it. Shouldn’t that make one wonder?
So you don’t think there is (forced) cultural assimilation in China?
instead I saw the government funding mosques and cultural centers and promoting minority cultures.
Yea, there are some that look like yours, some look like this:
Obviously, most, especially tourist, will only be allowed to see your example.
Nearly all of the party works normal jobs, including the members who get elected to go to Congresses.
You don’t think there is a caste of elite politicians running the country, as established itself in the Soviet Union and its bloc, and instead the average Chinese worker is actually in control of these politicians?
I’d like to see a Chinese migrant worker telling Xi that he’s wrong. Should be possible since the worker is actually in control and Xi only the executing tool, right? That Xi abolished the limitations on being reelected in 2018, something China deliberately nested into its state framework to prevent a single person to accumulate too much power and become corrupted by that power, as is nature of any human, and since then holds the state in an ever tighter personal grip, can be seen with cautious scepticism.
The US literally had to interfere in the elections in the 90s to prevent the communists from being reelected.
So you don’t think there is (forced) cultural assimilation in China?
I am not aware of any, how do you believe China forces cultures to assimilate? Maybe I’m not recognizing it because I’m looking for ways America and European countries are currently doing so, for example they don’t ban their languages in schools, I see obvious capital investment in their communities, their traditions aren’t only merely tolerated, they have the government supporting them.
Yea, there are some that look like yours, some look like this:
I can’t see what you’re linking, I think feddit is down or doesn’t like talking to vietnamese ISPs.
You don’t think there is a caste of elite politicians running the country, as established itself in the Soviet Union and its bloc, and instead the average Chinese worker is actually in control of these politicians?
Yes and no, the actions of the government tell me it’s more democratic than literally any bourgeois democracy, since when’s the last time a western country executed a billionaire (Epstein doesn’t count), but some people I’ve spoken to believe the government is incompetent/corrupt/lazy. Sometimes it’s just the local government they have issues with, other times it’s the federal government, other times they don’t differentiate.
I’d like to see a Chinese migrant worker telling Xi that he’s wrong.
Remember the covid protests? What is that except a bunch of chinese telling the government it’s wrong? (even if the only thing the government did wrong was not cracking down on Shanghai after it’s lack of adherence caused the 20th outbreak in the rest of China)
I am not aware of any, how do you believe China forces cultures to assimilate?
By destroying most of the 6,000 monasteries in Tibet. Today, there are less than ten intact. By imprisoning hundred of thousands or even more than a million Uyghurs in “re-education camps” without courts or rule of law. By controlling every little detail of all its citizens, especially those from other cultures, so every aspect in the life of one of those minorities is controlled and approved by the Han central government. By having a de-facto Han caste of elite rulers, keeping minorities in check and from power. Doesn’t sound very equal to me.
I can’t see what you’re linking, I think feddit is down or doesn’t like talking to vietnamese ISPs.
the actions of the government tell me it’s more democratic than literally any bourgeois democracy, since when’s the last time a western country executed a billionaire (Epstein doesn’t count)
Do you think actual control by the working class is shown by billionaires being executed? Besides: our rule of law forbids us from executing even those that fall out of favour, while totalitarian states have absolutely no problems with their elites amassing a lot of wealth as long as they keep in line. The problem with the then executed hence wasn’t that they were billionaires, but rather that they did something the ruling clique did no longer agree with, or even merely personal reasons. You find similar mechanisms in any mafia-like organisation. Doesn’t make those an epitome of working class rule, either. On the contrary, the few powerful at the top decide for the rest. We in our system at least have the opportunity to vote those people in and out.
Remember the covid protests? What is that except a bunch of chinese telling the government it’s wrong?
Yea, and I clearly remember the central government facing the people and admitting that they did a mistake and asking for apology… oh wait. Or did they increase their grip even further and only upped the suppression of the people to get them back in line?
The story about Yeltsin, as can be read in the magazine you provided the cover of, wasn’t “the US interfering”, but Yeltsin’s daughter, who he only trusted, asking a couple of political advisors from the US for help as she didn’t have the experience needed.
When a liberal country says this, the only minority they’re protecting is the capitalist class.
Are China and Vietnam less democratic because they grant autonomy and special representation to minorities? I wouldn’t say so, because democracy means rule by the people and those people’s unique situations mean they’re affected differently by the same rules, so its more democratic for them to have their own institutions and protections.
Honestly I am divided on the subject; you have a hmong sending their children out to beg or dance on a school night, its the end result of a cascade of social failures. I don’t think it could be solved by giving the minority fewer tools to deal with it.
All prisoners are political.
But also spending a few months working alongside the people you’re supposed to represent is an ideal punishment for failures to represent them, IIRC both president Xi and his father were purged at various points.
Imagine if the people of Arizona/WV could have recalled Kyrstyn Synoma/Manchin and sent them to plant trees for 6 months in 2020.
Yet, in modern democracies in Europe you have protective clauses granting special rights for minorities. Both the Soviet Union and China meanwhile are/were extremly keen on streamlining the local culture under the roof of Russian/Han leadership. If the system works so well for the average worker, why the need to suppress local cultures, languages, religions…? Be it in Sinkiang or in Tibet. Why do the Chinese think that the Han culture is surpreme to all the other cultures on current Chinese territory if the common struggle of the working class knows no (cultural) borders?
Yet you won’t find that many people in stable democracies that are imprisoned for their political views, not to mention labour camps. In the totalitarian states, however, both a far more common.
The big question remains whether these potential purges were actually initiated by the people (the masses) or by the party (the elites). The fundamental dilemma remains whether the interest of the party is actually equal with the interest of the people, despite the omnipresent label that the elites act on behalf of the masses. In case of the Soviet model implemented in their bloc, the verdict of the people actually living under it have been rather clear: the vast majority of people having lived in such a system and managed to overcome it absolutely don’t want to go back to it. Shouldn’t that make one wonder?
That’s not what I observed, instead I saw the government funding mosques and cultural centers and promoting minority cultures.
Nearly all of the party works normal jobs, including the members who get elected to go to Congresses.
The US literally had to interfere in the elections in the 90s to prevent the communists from being reelected.
So you don’t think there is (forced) cultural assimilation in China?
Yea, there are some that look like yours, some look like this:
Obviously, most, especially tourist, will only be allowed to see your example.
You don’t think there is a caste of elite politicians running the country, as established itself in the Soviet Union and its bloc, and instead the average Chinese worker is actually in control of these politicians?
I’d like to see a Chinese migrant worker telling Xi that he’s wrong. Should be possible since the worker is actually in control and Xi only the executing tool, right? That Xi abolished the limitations on being reelected in 2018, something China deliberately nested into its state framework to prevent a single person to accumulate too much power and become corrupted by that power, as is nature of any human, and since then holds the state in an ever tighter personal grip, can be seen with cautious scepticism.
In the former Warsaw Pact? Where?
I am not aware of any, how do you believe China forces cultures to assimilate? Maybe I’m not recognizing it because I’m looking for ways America and European countries are currently doing so, for example they don’t ban their languages in schools, I see obvious capital investment in their communities, their traditions aren’t only merely tolerated, they have the government supporting them.
I can’t see what you’re linking, I think feddit is down or doesn’t like talking to vietnamese ISPs.
Yes and no, the actions of the government tell me it’s more democratic than literally any bourgeois democracy, since when’s the last time a western country executed a billionaire (Epstein doesn’t count), but some people I’ve spoken to believe the government is incompetent/corrupt/lazy. Sometimes it’s just the local government they have issues with, other times it’s the federal government, other times they don’t differentiate.
Remember the covid protests? What is that except a bunch of chinese telling the government it’s wrong? (even if the only thing the government did wrong was not cracking down on Shanghai after it’s lack of adherence caused the 20th outbreak in the rest of China)
By destroying most of the 6,000 monasteries in Tibet. Today, there are less than ten intact. By imprisoning hundred of thousands or even more than a million Uyghurs in “re-education camps” without courts or rule of law. By controlling every little detail of all its citizens, especially those from other cultures, so every aspect in the life of one of those minorities is controlled and approved by the Han central government. By having a de-facto Han caste of elite rulers, keeping minorities in check and from power. Doesn’t sound very equal to me.
Let’s see if you may see any of that:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Xinjiang_Re-education_Camp_Lop_County.jpg
https://news.files.bbci.co.uk/include/shorthand/42264/media/02_china_2018_v4_2560_x_1440-mr_hauqhha.jpg
Do you think actual control by the working class is shown by billionaires being executed? Besides: our rule of law forbids us from executing even those that fall out of favour, while totalitarian states have absolutely no problems with their elites amassing a lot of wealth as long as they keep in line. The problem with the then executed hence wasn’t that they were billionaires, but rather that they did something the ruling clique did no longer agree with, or even merely personal reasons. You find similar mechanisms in any mafia-like organisation. Doesn’t make those an epitome of working class rule, either. On the contrary, the few powerful at the top decide for the rest. We in our system at least have the opportunity to vote those people in and out.
Yea, and I clearly remember the central government facing the people and admitting that they did a mistake and asking for apology… oh wait. Or did they increase their grip even further and only upped the suppression of the people to get them back in line?
The story about Yeltsin, as can be read in the magazine you provided the cover of, wasn’t “the US interfering”, but Yeltsin’s daughter, who he only trusted, asking a couple of political advisors from the US for help as she didn’t have the experience needed.