For those who don’t find “far-right” to be an applicable descriptor with what is known currently, I acknowledge that the meme creator could have been more precise with their word choice. However, I feel the difference is academic:

We can replace “far right” with the easily verified “not leftist” without changing the meme whatsoever, primarily because the meme is about Nancy Mace and her mercurial, disingenuous opinion, not (directly) about the shooter.

Edit - I modified it, though I still find it to be a distinction without a difference - alt version for those who prefer (whoops missed one first time)

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    If you acknowledge they were maga (which is what a Trump supporter is) then I don’t know what language you find objectionable.

    And I apologize for assuming, but maybe you are not familiar with the on the ground mix of folks in the US. (Based on your source and your instance, which I realize are also arbitrary.) It’s not possible to be a Trump supporter and not be far right. It might have been possible in 2016, it really wasn’t in 2020, and no one who voted for him in 2024 can even pretend. They can reject the label, but actions speak louder than words, and everything he’s doing was telegraphed long before the election.

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      All we know is his parents are republicans and i, maybe naively, believe there are people that align with some of their values but are not terminally online like us that don’t see everything and i believe those people can be reasoned with.

      You’re correct about my being from outside the USA, but the instance is arbitrary as accidentally joined a German one. I’m from the UK.

      I know for a fact that people for instance that support Nigel Farage here are not all racists as sadly I’m surrounded by them. These people have just been tied to about who the boogeyman is and they’re not inherently bad people, just ignorant. I’ve been able to work in my closest friend and even see him pushing back on shaky narratives from the right now.

      I’ve lost my train of thought now but what I’m saying is I think that there is more nuance than just they evil and we should shun them because that does nothing but radicalise both sides and I’m not comfortable with that.

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        I’ve lost my train of thought now but what I’m saying is I think that there is more nuance than just they evil and we should shun them because that does nothing but radicalise both sides and I’m not comfortable with that.

        I think they had a decade to see him for what he was and there is no excuse.

        If they aren’t racist white supremacists it wasn’t a dealbreaker. At that point it’s academic.

        I’m closing in on 60. I’ve interacted with and/or been targeted by these same types for my entire life. And they all unified under maga. By removing maga from my life wherever possible, I’ve removed the same sources of toxicity that I can remember all the way back to my youth. It’s the best mental health decision I’ve ever made. They weren’t born maga, they chose it, and they continue to choose it. Fine. Thanks for labeling yourselves with the red hats and stickers, magas. Life is so much easier now.

        Also, you are very close to making the point this comic was written for.

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          Firstly I’ll say I’m obviously outside your area if the world so perhaps I just don’t know how far gone the right are and I’m biased from my own perspective here.

          Let me ask you this though, do you think removing those people from your life makes a difference to anybody but you and them. Are you changing the world or just pushing them to be more radical due to being pushed out by people.

          No judgement with the above as you have to do what is best for you first and I understand that. I just wonder about how change could ever happen over there is nobody is willing to engage. I like to think that the only war should be a class war and anything that isn’t in support of that just detracts from my goal.

          I don’t for a second believe that everybody that votes republican or conservative over here is an evil terrible person. I just think they’ve been radicalised. I think my entire comment history here over the last two years shows I am a liberal but I really fear we are just in an echo chamber in this place and no change is possible because everybody we engage with is already on board.

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            Let me ask you this though, do you think removing those people from your life makes a difference to anybody but you and them.

            The difference being made is that I’ve taken charge of the sphere of people with influence in my life more effectively and assertively than at any time in my many decades, and I refuse to be shamed for not allowing them in. (not suggesting you personally are, but it seems an increasingly popular position)

            Have they noticed? Some of them probably have. I have a complicated family life with a lot of obligations. We don’t socialize much anyway. I don’t really care if they have or not though. This is a decision I have made for myself.

            Are you changing the world

            Me? Certainly not. In aggregate though? Maybe. I think it’s is a silent movement. I read and/or hear throwaway comments about people dodging their maga friends and relatives all the time. So, it probably is an inflection point of some kind.

            just pushing them to be more radical due to being pushed out by people.

            They had years to be reasonable. They had years to pull their head out of their ass. They had years to remember their humanity. And even today they still haven’t.

            I antagonize no one I meet, but I’m not letting that into my life anymore. Other people can pan the magas for gold.