The Charlie Kirk incident really showed how many so called “leftists” in these online spaces are actually just closet liberals. I would say the number is about 90%. It’s very clear that the vast majority of Americans do not give a fuck about anyone’s suffering unless it either affects them personally or offends their precious sensibilities. They harbor a sort of Bellamyite delusion that by doing absolutely nothing, they will beat the fascists and achieve utopia.
What absolutely baffles me is: how TF does anyone who purports to be a leftist say they don’t support tankies?
Exactly… how does a socialist, communist or anarchist think revolution will happen?
Revolution via the ballot box is by far the rarest form of socialist uprising and can anyone provide an example of communists taking power that did NOT involve violent struggle?
I’m not advocating for violence but, pacifism as an absolute moral precept is a joke. If you listen to liberals, you’d believe that it was solely MLKs and Gandhi’s peaceful ways that brought about change. History shows completely the opposite, but is it any wonder that the West lionizes “peaceful protest” while strongly admonishing any form of direct action?
Exactly… how does a socialist, communist or anarchist think revolution will happen?
This is what I mean by the Bellamyite delusion. He essentially believed that the transition from capitalism to socialism would not only be peaceful, but natural. The people can just sit on their asses and wait until the capitalists are done consuming themselves. That is the ghost that haunted American progressive movements for the last hundred years. They don’t believe in revolutions; their ideal form of government is a momentary retreat from capitalism (i.e. New Deal era) or Nordic welfare capitalism, both of which are utterly impossible to achieve in modern US. These people have good hearts, but it just seems impossible to wake them up from establishment slop.
Also, the Nordic model is disintegrating in real time. Much like the new deal, any concessions won from the capitalist class can be rolled back or negated without a dictatorship of the proletariat.
i always hope for a peaceful revolution at the ballot box and actively work towards that even though i dont think it will happen. it would be the best outcome but i always assume that material conditions will worsen while left wing parliamentary movements will be kept down. if the material conditions get bad enough there may be an uprising but that is a cointoss if it will be left or right so whichever way it goes we gotta educate people
The robber barons who own literally most of the wealth in this world will never allow anything like the new deal to happen ever again.
Only the existence of the USSR and the very real communist/socialist movement in the west in the early 20th century could wring a dimes worth of social care from the grip of the gilded class.
And even then, it was a bloody struggle. History points to the US only getting involved in the European theater in ww2 when it looked like the soviets were going to win and take the loot.
Folks point to “lend lease” but it was far less important than what America claims.
At any rate, there’s a snowballs chance in hell of even a democratic socialist revolution at the ballot box. They’re pulling out the stops to prevent a dem-socialist mayor in one city. It would be an all out assault for anything more. Hell, they’ll just have folks killed before they let that happen.
western leftists will never have my respect.
The Charlie Kirk incident really showed how many so called “leftists” in these online spaces are actually just closet liberals. I would say the number is about 90%. It’s very clear that the vast majority of Americans do not give a fuck about anyone’s suffering unless it either affects them personally or offends their precious sensibilities. They harbor a sort of Bellamyite delusion that by doing absolutely nothing, they will beat the fascists and achieve utopia.
What absolutely baffles me is: how TF does anyone who purports to be a leftist say they don’t support tankies?
Exactly… how does a socialist, communist or anarchist think revolution will happen?
Revolution via the ballot box is by far the rarest form of socialist uprising and can anyone provide an example of communists taking power that did NOT involve violent struggle?
I’m not advocating for violence but, pacifism as an absolute moral precept is a joke. If you listen to liberals, you’d believe that it was solely MLKs and Gandhi’s peaceful ways that brought about change. History shows completely the opposite, but is it any wonder that the West lionizes “peaceful protest” while strongly admonishing any form of direct action?
This is what I mean by the Bellamyite delusion. He essentially believed that the transition from capitalism to socialism would not only be peaceful, but natural. The people can just sit on their asses and wait until the capitalists are done consuming themselves. That is the ghost that haunted American progressive movements for the last hundred years. They don’t believe in revolutions; their ideal form of government is a momentary retreat from capitalism (i.e. New Deal era) or Nordic welfare capitalism, both of which are utterly impossible to achieve in modern US. These people have good hearts, but it just seems impossible to wake them up from establishment slop.
You are spot on.
Also, the Nordic model is disintegrating in real time. Much like the new deal, any concessions won from the capitalist class can be rolled back or negated without a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Bozos are about to lose their universal healthcare and pension after their governments increase the NATO funding.
i always hope for a peaceful revolution at the ballot box and actively work towards that even though i dont think it will happen. it would be the best outcome but i always assume that material conditions will worsen while left wing parliamentary movements will be kept down. if the material conditions get bad enough there may be an uprising but that is a cointoss if it will be left or right so whichever way it goes we gotta educate people
The robber barons who own literally most of the wealth in this world will never allow anything like the new deal to happen ever again.
Only the existence of the USSR and the very real communist/socialist movement in the west in the early 20th century could wring a dimes worth of social care from the grip of the gilded class.
And even then, it was a bloody struggle. History points to the US only getting involved in the European theater in ww2 when it looked like the soviets were going to win and take the loot.
Folks point to “lend lease” but it was far less important than what America claims.
At any rate, there’s a snowballs chance in hell of even a democratic socialist revolution at the ballot box. They’re pulling out the stops to prevent a dem-socialist mayor in one city. It would be an all out assault for anything more. Hell, they’ll just have folks killed before they let that happen.