• pyre@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    in this case, way up. he was an advisor to the president. had massive role in his election, and has been advocating for death, destruction and genocide. there aren’t too many more instances where you can punch higher up than this.

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      way up

      Not sure: up implies power, usually political or economic class. He was an influential, right-wing activist promoting objectionable views. More like a cheerleader than commander.

      The only power he seemed to exercise was the power of any activist (to express their views) who lacks political office.

      If we swap their political views, would any funny there be punching up?

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        he’d had foster friess’ backing since he was 18-19. also was mentored by bill montgomery. Toilet Paper USA didn’t just come from nowhere. he was handpicked. saying he had any activist’s power is like saying musk donating to a campaign is just like anyone’s contribution. now musk being the rizzless fucking idiot still managed to fuck it up but that doesn’t mean he’s on equal grounds as anyone.

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          All you’re saying is activists you don’t like sometimes get donations & support from powerful donors you don’t like.

          Did Toxic Dump USA make massive donations to lobbyists or politicians or exert real political power beyond expressing garbage ideas to a large following? I still don’t see how an analogous situation with a leftist activist would qualify as punching up, and you haven’t tried to explain that. My conclusion is that you’re overstating the power here according to biases (that I’m partial to but resist indulging).

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              No pro-gun leftists? That would surprise the leftists on lemmy decrying the gun control stance of “liberals”.

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                tf are you talking about? we’re talking about punching “up”. leftists aren’t “up”.