Fuck all this “let’s not celebrate the gruesome murder of a political opponent” bullshit, the man was a stochastic terrorist. Let’s dunk on the douchebag and piss on his grave together. I hope more fascists like him get it through the neck

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      Do you know what happens when there are two teams, and one plays by the rules, while the other embraces barbarism?

      The barbarians will win and beat the others to death.

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      I would have, wholeheartedly, invited and welcomed change in a man like Charlie Kirk. If he were to have changed his ways, changed his words — he might have been able to start a chain reaction of others realizing it’s ok to admit you’re wrong.

      I have empathy for Kirk. In his final moments he probably felt unbridled fear, for himself, his kids, and the world he helped create. One of my worst fears, ironically, is dying where the only thing I feel is fear.

      I am also happy he is dead. Blind empathy is a worthless trait.

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        I have empathy for his living family. I am appalled that he’s being treated like a martyr.

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          Kirk is responsible for elevating the tensions that are rocketing us towards a civil war. He’s stated he’s against empathy and that school shootings are necessary for gun rights to exist. He spreads these opinions as aggressively as he is able. How exactly isn’t the world better off without that?

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            Idk man. I guess it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day. The empathy i feel is more of a philosophical kind of empathy. I’ve watched the close up video too many times and the way he slumps over and just dies isn’t pretty.

            I’ve tried to substitute him for Trump or Nick Fuentes and I can’t say for certain whether I’d feel the same empathy which leads me to believe i didn’t hate Kirk as much as those other names i mentioned and I’m fine with that, but lemmy tries to make it seem like that’s a “wrong” thing, but people aren’t wrong for how they feel they are only wrong when they use those feelings to make wrong decisions.

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      Assuming we’re talking about genuine empathy rather than performative fake empathy:

      • He did not live his life in terror, so there is no suffering to empathise with there. In fact empathy tells me he was a self-centered selfish asshole of the worst kind, emotions I can feel through empathy but not which I generally had by myself (though I have been thus once or twice and nowadays regret it).
      • He seemed to have died quickly, painlessly and probably without even knowing what happenned to him. If that was so, there was no actual suffering to empathise with there - we went to sleep confused in seconds from blood loss and never woke up.
      • Dead people have no feelings so there is nothing to empathise with in a corpse: empathy with a corpse is only really about empathy with how the live human felt when dying.

      Somebody living in poverty will suffer a lot more in a week than this guy did his whole life, including when he died and after his dead he was beyond all suffering.

      The only people in this whom my heart goes to are his family, and I bet at least his children are better off since the guy was a Psychopath or Sociopath so I’m actually thorn between feeling pain for them and actually being happy for them - it really depends what kind of dad he was and my expectation isn’t that he was a good one. Similary for his wife.

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        Also he was wealthy, obtained through ill means and spreading suffering. His wife and children will be well cared for and will want for nothing.

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        Fair point. I’m more concerned with people celebrating this like it’s some victory when in reality, such reactions only okay the same thing to be done to leftist commentators

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          I suppose such reactions are the product of this kind of thing happening to this kind of person feeling a lot like Karma, or Natural Justice, especially when the Legal kind of Justice isn’t actually Just, not even close.

          I suspect people would celebrate this a lot less if they felt that Legal Justice worked and equally made people accountable for their actions.

          This guy has been instrumental in indirectly making a lot of people suffer, in some cases to quite extreme levels, so the glee of many when he paid the ultimate price for it is understandable.

          True, Empathy has nothing to do with such reactions.

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          The same thing has been happening to left leaning people in the USA for decades, arguably more.

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          Why should I feel any empathy for whoever raised or willingly married this formerly-breathing POS? I think my empathy is way better spent on the people he continuously discriminated, victimized and oppressed.

          As a father, he was advocating for a world where school shootings are a normal, and according to him necessary, occurrence. He believed children as young as 12 should be made to watch public executions. He defended and supported pedophiles. If have any empathy for his children it isn’t because he died, but because they had him as a father in the first place.

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      Give it a rest, liberal - nobody that matters is impressed by your conspicuous concern for dead fascists.