Fuck all this “let’s not celebrate the gruesome murder of a political opponent” bullshit, the man was a stochastic terrorist. Let’s dunk on the douchebag and piss on his grave together. I hope more fascists like him get it through the neck
“Looks like he took a left-leaning stance in the end after all” lmao!
I don’t feel bad for a categorically horrible human being whose life’s work was dedicated to sowing hate, ignorance, and suffering into the fabric of society. He nurtured the political environment that lead to his own death and his absence will be a net positive for society.
I would have, wholeheartedly, invited and welcomed change in a man like Charlie Kirk. If he were to have changed his ways, changed his words — he might have been able to start a chain reaction of others realizing it’s ok to admit you’re wrong.
I have empathy for Kirk. In his final moments he probably felt unbridled fear, for himself, his kids, and the world he helped create. One of my worst fears, ironically, is dying where the only thing I feel is fear.
I am also happy he is dead. Blind empathy is a worthless trait.
I have empathy for Kirk. I also recognize that the world is a better place without him in it.
I’d say it’s hard to quantify how much better or if such betterment is even substantial
Kirk is responsible for elevating the tensions that are rocketing us towards a civil war. He’s stated he’s against empathy and that school shootings are necessary for gun rights to exist. He spreads these opinions as aggressively as he is able. How exactly isn’t the world better off without that?
Assuming we’re talking about genuine empathy rather than performative fake empathy:
- He did not live his life in terror, so there is no suffering to empathise with there. In fact empathy tells me he was a self-centered selfish asshole of the worst kind, emotions I can feel through empathy but not which I generally had by myself (though I have been thus once or twice and nowadays regret it).
- He seemed to have died quickly, painlessly and probably without even knowing what happenned to him. If that was so, there was no actual suffering to empathise with there - we went to sleep confused in seconds from blood loss and never woke up.
- Dead people have no feelings so there is nothing to empathise with in a corpse: empathy with a corpse is only really about empathy with how the live human felt when dying.
Somebody living in poverty will suffer a lot more in a week than this guy did his whole life, including when he died and after his dead he was beyond all suffering.
The only people in this whom my heart goes to are his family, and I bet at least his children are better off since the guy was a Psychopath or Sociopath so I’m actually thorn between feeling pain for them and actually being happy for them - it really depends what kind of dad he was and my expectation isn’t that he was a good one. Similary for his wife.
Empathy for the people he’s left behind. He’s dead, it’s not for him.
Fair point. I’m more concerned with people celebrating this like it’s some victory when in reality, such reactions only okay the same thing to be done to leftist commentators
The same thing has been happening to left leaning people in the USA for decades, arguably more.
Give it a rest, liberal - nobody that matters is impressed by your conspicuous concern for dead fascists.
I’m not a liberal
I have gas, rounds, and live near Kennesaw. I’m a coward, though.
I’m a coward, though.
Good. Cowards make great tacticians.
Trump… just gave a speech, an address, whatever, from the Oval Office.
Partial (?) Transcription:
For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazi’s and the world’s worst mass murderers and criminals.
This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we’re seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.
My administration will find will each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country.
From the attack on my life in Butler Pennsylvania last year, which killed a husband and father, to the attacks on ICE agents, to the vicious murder of a health care executive in the streets of New York, to the shooting of House Majority leader Steve Scalise (sp?) and three others: Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives.
Tonight I ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died.
The values of free speech, citizenship, the rule of law, and the patriotic devotion and love of God.
Charlie was the best of America, and the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country.
An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed, because together, we will ensure that his voice, his message and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come.
Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie’s voice has become bigger and grander than ever before, and it’s not even close.
May God bless his memory, may God watch over his family, and may God bless the United States of America.
Thank you.
Uh… yep, yep, this our Reichstag Fire.
This is an open ended and limitless declaration of total intolerance for any political dissidence, a call to action and unity of national purpose/faith in the pursuit or specifically Charlie Kirk’s conception of America, a pledge to avenge his memory going forward for ‘countless generations’.
… See?
It can always get worse.
Don’t forget that the whole thing was AI-generated too… https://files.catbox.moe/lix5jz.mp4
Let’s not run off with random bullshit. It’s an AI interpolated video to take it from 24fps to 60, and there’s some weirdness caused by that.
Running around screaming conspiracy about something so pointless and easily disproved just makes us all look stupid.
I’m not sure what I’m supposed to be seeing. something weird with his fingers? it looks like some upscaling glitch.
Damnnnn
Was always gonna get worse. Unless the big fascists died. Vance, miller, bannon, may e trump himself but without hsndlers he might’ve just flailed.
Don’t forget their billionaire masters.
Yeah well if the democrats reaction to everything Trump has done has taught us anything, it’s that it’s going to have to get a lot worse before they’ll get off their asses to help.
This was always coming. Putting it off helped nobody but the fascists.
they’ll get off their asses to help.
Please. The liberals are already “reaching across the aisle” to shed tears for this dead fascist - the only “help” we can expect from liberals is bigger budgets for all the paramilitaries.
… The Dems may be on the verge of getting purged ala the KPD.
Literally forced to flee, effectively abdicate their positions, due to a mass crackdown.
The Dems will largely only realize they actually are fucked when they literally are arrested and jailed.
If you really believe the fascists are coming for us then go out and buy a gun, put a nice rainbow flag or black lives matter sticker on it, and prepare for the resistance. Don’t be afraid, be armed.
If that’s the route you want to go you’re going to need a lot more than just range toys.
People always say this but whoever got Charlie didn’t need more than that so I disagree. You’re not facing down the Air Force directly, you’re taking out leadership as you get the opportunity.
Besides, the implication of your argument is that we shouldn’t try because it will be hard and I think that’s some bullshit. Of course it will be hard but resistance is also necessary in the case where our very lives are being threatened. If you have to resist it’s better to do so with even a poor tool than it is to be empty handed.
but whoever got Charlie didn’t need more than that so I disagree.
If assassinations could win wars we’d already be living in an anarchist utopia - that’s what anarchists used to be famous for, remember?
the implication of your argument is that we shouldn’t try
Not at all… but it’s going to require a lot of “back-to-the-drawing-board” thinking.
What is guerilla war if not a series of well-planned assassinations by a much worse armed force. The USA showed the whole world how effective that tactic is at winning wars, by losing to it again and again.
What is guerilla war if not a series of well-planned assassinations by a much worse armed force.
That is absolutely not what insurgencies are. Assassination is a tactic - not a strategy - and it is most definitely not some “lens” through which to flatten and simplify what insurgency actually is. It’s that very kind of superficial thinking that is the whole reason the US military establishment cannot fathom why they can’t seem to win at this kind of warfare.
Just remember this… even dodgy tankie outfits like the Weather Underground and the RAF understood that assassination could only get them so far before it began backfiring on them in a big way - and, with hindsight, it’s easy to see that they were still being way too optimistic about it.
Sure you want to hold onto this idea?
On the ground organization and actual OPSEC are arguably more important, but I agree with the sentiment.
I am currently crippled.
… I do not really have that option.
Hopefully I can at least provide useful info or reasonable opinions.
Respectfully, you would have to be quite severely crippled to be unable to shoot a fascist. Not saying you need to be on the front lines, but get a gun.
I can’t walk.
Not more than a few minutes, gotta use braces and crutches or a cane to bump that up to maybe 45 minutes, before the pain is unbearable.
I only have one good hand.
And it is not my dominant hand.
Not trying to generally disagree with your advice, trying to say that I am indeed pretty fucking crippled at the moment.
Good news is prognosis of significant recovery is possible, but its gonna be a while longer of PT.
Whole lot of highly overstressed muscles and tendons, some seriously torn, good bit a nerve damage, at least all the fractures have healed by now.
Charlie Kirk Fucking Dies: An Anarchist Rebuttal
Charlie Kirk deserved worse and we deserve to celebrate, but I do think that we should be preparing for retaliation from the State and conservatives too.
What could they do now they haven’t done before?
A lot. They haven’t even begun ramping up the really serious fascist stuff yet. They are still in the early days of the 1930s.
I think there will be extra raids and troop deployments as a reaction; but overall not much change as a whole this week
What do you think happens when a stochastic terrorism generator… is violently killed, in a very ‘televised’ way?
A whole lot more stochastic terrorism.
Basically every big name Republican is just… blaming all Democrats, all liberals, all lefists.
They are calling for vengeance, on the scale of mass violence, mass incarcerations, no reservations, no quarter.
Facts and logic do not matter to these people, and they are right now in what I can only describe as a red out bloodlust.
… It can always get worse.
This is literally an apocalyptic death cult, and basically, one of their disciples has just been publically slain.
They’ve always wanted that. The question is if this allows them to push harder.
I mean yes, this… literally is directly what they wanted…
I can’t predict the future, but… I did grow up with, come from a family of these kinds of people.
I very much fear that … yeah, yes, this is sufficiently traumatizing to them that they will lash out.
My… first target of rage I’d suspect they’d pick, is trans people… they’ve already convinced themselves shooter was trans, I’d say any prominent trans left wing personalities are in a significant danger of some … basically, a revenge killing.
EDIT: See my other comment.
At most this moved the current administration’s timeline forward, and that is truly all.
It’s been less than a year and look at this place. National Guard in Chicago was to be their next escalation after troops in LA and DC didn’t provoke the reaction they’re seeking.
This administration has 100% been deliberately agitating for any kind of violent response to their increasingly fascist actions, to legitimize extraordinary executive powers and military rule among their base. Once their base believes that’s necessary, we are fucked.
This will almost certainly produce a violent response from the right, no disagreement there. But not one that wasn’t already guaranteed to come our way. There’s no amount of playing nice with fascists that ever gets them to stop or even slow down. This administration is elated to have this opportunity.
i dunno, maybe it’ll be the national guard in orem instead of chicago
I mean… ok, if it moves the timeline forward… it still does that.
Is that not more or less the same thing as ‘allows them to push harder’?
Beyond that quibble… pretty much totally agree, they’ve already done a lot of bad, and it probably was inevitable that some point or threshold… actual, targetted shooting back would occur.
Unfortunately… I think we may have now hit, or at least come a lot closer to the ‘we are fucked’ point… see my other comment with Trump’s response speech.
Yeah, I probably ought to have phrased that in a way that sounded less like disagreement. And I’m not eager to move the timeline forward and I’m aware of the harm that entails, so I shouldn’t trivialize it either.
Just because something has been done before doesn’t mean we are necessarily prepared for it.
(Also I used the word “rebuttal” facetiously. I’m very much celebrating even though I’m simultaneously worried about how they’re gonna react 🥳🎉🎉)
They’d be dancing in the streets and calling all the libs they knew just to laugh if it was a prominent liberal murdered in cold blood. I have no sympathy for those that have none for others. It certainly is a tragedy, but a deserved one.
I’m sorry his wife and children were there and have lost someone they love. Maybe they stand a chance at being upstanding citizens now, though. Actions have consequences, and so do words when used to incite violence against your fellow man.
Well, I’m not exactly going to be tearing up for any “prominent liberals”, either - they want their fascist attack dogs around, and I’m not going to pretend that their own attack dogs turning on them is anything other than deserved.
I’m not apologizing for anyone here, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the right when they start saying “hey now, someone was killed”
I don’t think they will be doing anything other than what they were already doing - I mean, they didn’t actually do all that much after Trump himself nearly ate a bullet. They will try to milk his death and feed it into justification propaganda, though.
Since this comment, Trump has promised to go after dissidents (Truth Social warning!). I’m still in the “fuck it we party” stage but some point soon we gotta prepare for what’s coming.
Prepare how? Stock up on range toys and ammo, like some people on here are saying?
That’s not going to be nearly enough - they wrote 2A based on the assumption that there will always be more than enough white supremacist goons to overwhelm any leftist resistance - and, so far, that assumption has proved perfectly correct. The people at Blair Mountain was armed to the teeth - so were the people in Greenwood. US-style “gun culture” has never served the left very well - I’d argue that it actually does something even worse than nothing… it lulls leftists into a sense of false security.
I’m not saying arming yourself is a bad thing… but the idea that firearms mean automatic salvation is a peculiarly US-only idea that has more to do with pop culture than reality.
The left has been playing nothing but defense since the Culture War began, and it just took four years of Biden’s liberal counter-insurgency to sweep even that under the rug. That’s where the weakness of the left truly lies.
Prepare how? Stock up on range toys and ammo, like some people on here are saying?
I don’t oppose that, but it needs to be part of a greater plan about how to deal with being targeted by the State for repression. I.e., escape plans, plans for if martial law comes to town, plans for going underground, and plans with the community about how to handle the upcoming oppression.
My point is more “hey everyone this was cool but there’s gonna be some negative consequences too”.
That’s not going to be nearly enough
IMO “stocking up” is necessary but nowhere near sufficient as a solution to weather the upcoming storm. I agree with everything else you said 🙂
Another thing to plan for but which is rarely covered: learn a trade. If the actual SHTF scenario goes down, you’re going to be on your own for a lot of shit you depend on society for right now. A lot of us are practicing home gardening, and that’s awesome, but what about power generation and transfer? What about keeping your vehicle operative? Stuff like that. I’ve been taking some welding courses at a community college in case I need to fix something that can’t be replaced. I’m considering also taking some electrician and plumbing courses.
The libs in America want nothing more than to be lulled to sleep by a lib government.
I always confuse this creep with that other creep, Matt Gaetz.
This will make it a lot easier to tell them apart.
Wish it didn’t.
Matt Gaetz looks like a live-action Beavis and Butthead character, Charlie Kirk
lookslooked like the “Little Bits” guy from Rick and MortyLittle biiiitssss.
“Seventeen year old woman”
Eww
Imagine spending the last minutes of your life on Earth shitting on trans and POC people one last time before having your jugular just do that.
Died doing what he loved!
Dude really was about that grind mindset.
Man, it’s nice to get a bit of good news on hump day to help you make it through the week!
Piss on his grave? Fam, I’m gonna eat icecream and quessadillas till my lower intestine looks like the first few seconds of the hindenberg footage while I drag my asshole across his grave like a golden retriever with butt worms.
Who are you, so wise in the art of words?
oh dude, i got plans to ferment jugs for my
leastfavorite relatives and politiciansVivid poetry
Oddly specific.
Everyone’s thinking it dawg
I worked at a slaughterhouse for a year a while back and I worked near the “stables” and operated the blood centrifuge, so I’m used to seeing pigs get their necks stuck and a lot of blood gushing, and even while hanging upside down and knife straight to the heart I haven’t seen quite the gushing from a human before. Whoever hit his artery like that did him a mercy for sure. This is what pigs experience before getting slaughtered btw. Compared to that, what with the fencing response Charlie showed, he was just gone instantly, maybe a fraction of second of pain before lights went out.
Thank you for the incredibly gruesome input /gen
A severe injury to one of these major arteries can lead to exsanguination, or bleeding to death, within minutes, sometimes as rapidly as one to two minutes for the aorta or carotid artery,
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Others have said it looked like the shot also hit the spinal column and if so that trauma/nerve shredding can definitely snap the consciousness out of you long enough for low blood pressure/flow to do its thing.
I wish i could watch the video without a trauma response. I’ll just celebrate with the knowledge and memes.
Yes, it really looked like his consciousness left him in an instant - he just jerked for a fraction of a second and slumped down instantly. It was a pretty nice way to go tbh, so quick that feeling pain doesn’t come into play - i don’t think he even had even time to think “well, that was unexpected.”
he might have gotten to “well”
