• solsangraal@lemmy.zip
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    if someone is not able to distinguish between fiction (regardless of the medium) and reality, then the problem is much deeper than pearl-clutching religious fanatics insist on believing, and will NOT be solved by abolishing all the “bad” fiction

    i would argue that religion itself plays a large part in developing these problematic attitudes from early childhood, especially towards sex

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      You mean constantly displaying sexuality as evil and interest in it as sinful leads to a unhealthy sexuality? Say it ain’t so

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        1. set the rules in opposition to fundamental human (i.e., mammalian) instincts
          1b. punishment is unimaginable suffering for eternity
        2. everyone lives a guilt-ridden life full of shame
        3. leverage for control in every aspect of life (i.e., slave congregation)
        4. ???
        5. profit. a fucking lot

        side effects of psychological damage, suicide, sociopathic tendencies, etc. don’t matter in the slightest to the people collecting your tithes and controlling your behavior-- so, rather the same as social media

        tl;dr: people in a perpetual state of unfulfillable desire are easy to control

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      i think if less tolerance for religion became more commonplace, it might be better for mental health in general honestly.

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        I think the issue is not “religion” because that’s hard to define. What do you count as a religion and what not? It’s kinda not clearly defined. I.e., you can “believe” in science, yet does the belief make it a religion?

        I think what’s more the issue is the fact that people cling to nonsensical statements and are unwilling to look at things the way they are. I.e. a recurring theme of religion is that it absolves people from thinking, i.e. from making their own thoughts and relating those to reality. That is the thing that must be dealt with.

        In other words, people must be taught to think and analyze the world around (and inside of) them. That is what leads to wellbeing and happyness.

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          religion is an issue. and its not difficult to define.

          i agree with your second paragraph. its why i think its time to start being less hospitable to any and all religion.

          the less religion the world has, the better that people can be educated as you’ve said.

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          Funny, but this just poses further questions. I.e. is it the absence of religion that causes wellbeing, or is it wellbeing that causes the absence of religion?

          I was told the story by a stranger once: The reason why people cling to religion is because they are unable to live their own life, i.e. they struggle and can’t live in the moment, because it would be too depressing, so they cling to religion to seek an escape. Religion absolves them from thinking and therefore from recognizing the world around them, and so it’s an escape. So, in this view, bad times cause religion, but not the other way around. At least it’s one possible explanation. I don’t know whether it’s true.

          I’m just saying, don’t confuse correlation with causality. Correlation does not imply causality in general. (though in this case it probably does)

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      if someone is not able to distinguish between fiction (regardless of the medium) and reality, then the problem is much deeper than pearl-clutching religious fanatics insist on believing, and will NOT be solved by abolishing all the “bad” fiction

      We’ve been trying to make this exact argument to the exact same group of people since the earliest days of D&D and I’m sure someone was having the same conversation about some other thing before that. 😠

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      Yeah. It’s always been perplexing me that people who seem mentally okay in other ways can seem to think fiction and reality are basically the same thing.

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        Glad to see this opinion organically. I have been feeling like its moving more and more toward censure. I always thought japan pretty much had it right and then they took a step back. If its not real, its not real. I honestly don’t care about any fictional stuff be it writing or painting.

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        the owner class wants it that way. if you can get people to throw reason, facts, evidence, and everything else out the window in order to genuinely believe that 2+2=5, then you can tell them anything you want, and they will kill people over the matter. see: literally all of maga

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      not able to distinguish between fiction (regardless of the medium) and reality

      religious fanatics

      The line is a circle