How do you reconcile being pro socialism but anti-gun. How do you expect to achieve socialism without atleast the threat of violence? To what extent are you anti-gun? /gen
I think it’s been shown by clear statistics that in countries where guns are banned, such as the UK, compared to the US, a far smaller proportion of the population dies regularly in gun violence. Guns are not the only method to achieve revolution, or even the most effective. A general strike might be more effective, or targeted boycotts to stop contributing money to billionaires whilst building up alternative economies.
Not really. It’s just these two examples that work out in contrast. Switzerland has a buttload of guns per capita and is one of the safest places in the world. And to use the UK again, it has about as many knives as other countries I’m guessing, but far more knife violence. It’s desperation that breeds violence. There’s a much stronger correlation between wealth disparity and violence vs weapons and violence.
Now don’t get me wrong, gun regulation is sorely needed in the US, but it’s not a fix to its violence problem.
Guns are in fact the only method to achieve revolution. A General strike/targeted boycott, etc… are reformist (and yes leftists can be reformist as well), AND they also tend to ignore the material reality if you try and use them as a revolutionary tool.
I agree that guns should eventually been done away with. My concern is that dispensing ourselves of them now would leave any revolutionary movement vulnerable to slaughter. I don’t trust our bourgeois to not massacre us should we try to do away with them. Peaceful revolutions aren’t impossible but I don’t think they are feasible if the domestic bourgeois feel they can react with immense violence at no risk to themselves.
I feel like guns are probably a greater danger to the proletariat than the government - they have far more effective means than guns for fighting the people.
How do you reconcile being pro socialism but anti-gun. How do you expect to achieve socialism without atleast the threat of violence? To what extent are you anti-gun? /gen
I think it’s been shown by clear statistics that in countries where guns are banned, such as the UK, compared to the US, a far smaller proportion of the population dies regularly in gun violence. Guns are not the only method to achieve revolution, or even the most effective. A general strike might be more effective, or targeted boycotts to stop contributing money to billionaires whilst building up alternative economies.
Not really. It’s just these two examples that work out in contrast. Switzerland has a buttload of guns per capita and is one of the safest places in the world. And to use the UK again, it has about as many knives as other countries I’m guessing, but far more knife violence. It’s desperation that breeds violence. There’s a much stronger correlation between wealth disparity and violence vs weapons and violence.
Now don’t get me wrong, gun regulation is sorely needed in the US, but it’s not a fix to its violence problem.
Except that Switzerland has a strong regulation on weapons too. Unlike the US.
Uh yeah, but the regulation isn’t as strict as in the UK, and it’s also a safer place than the UK, so the correlation falls flat.
Not necessarily. It mainly appears safer because there’s less knife violence.
There’s international experts that rank the safety of countries based on a variety of criteria https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/safest-countries-in-the-world
Guns are in fact the only method to achieve revolution. A General strike/targeted boycott, etc… are reformist (and yes leftists can be reformist as well), AND they also tend to ignore the material reality if you try and use them as a revolutionary tool.
I agree that guns should eventually been done away with. My concern is that dispensing ourselves of them now would leave any revolutionary movement vulnerable to slaughter. I don’t trust our bourgeois to not massacre us should we try to do away with them. Peaceful revolutions aren’t impossible but I don’t think they are feasible if the domestic bourgeois feel they can react with immense violence at no risk to themselves.
I feel like guns are probably a greater danger to the proletariat than the government - they have far more effective means than guns for fighting the people.
Historically guns or the threat of them have been the only way revolution has happened.