In the very thread being discussed, despite Palestinian genocide denial being removed from the comm regularly, both Uyghur genocide denial and Holodomor genocide denial remain up despite DB0, Fxomt, and Unruffled’s participation in the thread - with Uyghur genocide denial upvoted by all three.
Which thread are we discussing? I tried looking at the modlogs for Flippanarchy and PTB with my assumptions of the threads we were talking about and I didn’t find the stuff you mentioned, both from mbin and from dbzer0. And your post history is unfortunately too prolifically good (genuinely I like your posts and their little explanations; I’ve followed you) for me to find potential past posts showing modlog screenshots of what you’re talking about. As far as I know “there are tons of horrific atrocities but genocide is not the right word” is approached equally no matter if referring to the Gaza or Xinjiang.
the second link is a prime example for my personal crusade against flippancy… which is, done by not agitating and thus not crusading at all uhh i guess i can’t call that a crusade… it stirs things up unnecessarily in contexts unproductive, furthering alienation and dehumanization through rage, and in this case reasonably and easily misread as justification/apologia/whataboutism for China’s actions.
but i don’t understand the dbzer0 aspect of this at all. i still don’t see dbzer0 not moderating Xinjiang as they do Gaza. if your links are referring to the vote counts, i can see upvotes (but not downvotes) as an mbin user and seemingly these votes on criticism of goat are familiar faces from the ML attention on this post, not dbzer0 (save debbs and very occasionally unruffled, who also from what i see is taking the stance of “yes there is genocide, but certain states are hypocritically hammering it as the worst thing ever while dismissing other genocides for selfish political gain instead of concern”, which would explain his upvotes).
though i would find it reasonable if goat and comments related to the votes nagging (and maybe what i mentioned about Amnesty above) were being downvoting by the dbzer0 people
but i don’t understand the dbzer0 aspect of this at all. i still don’t see dbzer0 not moderating Xinjiang as they do Gaza.
There’s outright denialism, including Holodomor denialism, that is left up and unremoved.
Dbzer0 is quite insistent on removing other forms of genocide denialism in that comm.
They are not removing Holodomor and Uyghur genocide denialism.
It’s a very apparent double-standard, and considering what the admins upvote and at least one argues in favor of, raises some serious fucking questions.
(save debbs and very occasionally unruffled, who also from what i see is taking the stance of “yes there is genocide, but certain states are hypocritically hammering it as the worst thing ever while dismissing other genocides for selfish political gain instead of concern”, which would explain his upvotes).
“China is being shitty and authoritarian towards the Uyghurs, but it’s nothing like the genocide Israel is waging”, saying that Chinese influence in Myanmar is a more serious violation by the PRC than the Uyghur genocide is, and leveling a judgement of “PTB” - “Power Tripping Bastard” - towards the moderator of [MeanwhileOnGrad] for banning someone who was literally denying the Uyghur genocide.
Combined, that’s pretty distinctly defending Uyghur genocide denial, and I would say right up on the border of denying Uyghur genocide themselves.
If I said, “Israel is being shitty and authoritarian towards the Palestinians, but it’s nothing like the genocide the Nazis waged”, would you regard that as:
A. Borderline genocide denial of the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people by reducing the ongoing genocide to something that is simply ‘shitty and authoritarian’ while noting that ‘real’ genocide is more than that
OR
B. Just making casual comparisons
though i would find it reasonable if goat and comments related to the votes nagging (and maybe what i mentioned about Amnesty above) were being downvoting by the dbzer0 people
I’m not taking into account downvotes, which can be for any number of reasons - only when the admins upvote genocide denialism.
The problem with that Israel statement isn’t the “not genocide” part; it’s the use of the word “shitty”. If I was a mod (or even something else with interest of engaging) approaching that, I’d reply something like “‘shitty’ is not a good word to describe the crimes against humanity happening in Gaza, though, with great disregard and bombings against human life and incredibly flimsy justification for attacking and even double-tapping civilian targets and centers” and see how they respond. I see no problem with
The thing I’m having difficulty seeing is mods applying a different standard to Palestinian genocide wording discussions than Uyghur in moderation actions like removal and banning, like “Dbzer0 is quite insistent on removing other forms of genocide denialism in that comm.”
The thing I’m having difficulty seeing is mods applying a different standard to Palestinian genocide wording discussions than Uyghur in moderation actions like removal and banning, like “Dbzer0 is quite insistent on removing other forms of genocide denialism in that comm.”
In the very thread being discussed, despite Palestinian genocide denial being removed from the comm regularly, both Uyghur genocide denial and Holodomor genocide denial remain up despite DB0, Fxomt, and Unruffled’s participation in the thread - with Uyghur genocide denial upvoted by all three.
Which thread are we discussing? I tried looking at the modlogs for Flippanarchy and PTB with my assumptions of the threads we were talking about and I didn’t find the stuff you mentioned, both from mbin and from dbzer0. And your post history is unfortunately too prolifically good (genuinely I like your posts and their little explanations; I’ve followed you) for me to find potential past posts showing modlog screenshots of what you’re talking about. As far as I know “there are tons of horrific atrocities but genocide is not the right word” is approached equally no matter if referring to the Gaza or Xinjiang.
Sorry, there’s been a lot of ‘cross-pollination’ between the thread in question and these recent posts, I forget that there are people uninvolved.
https://lemmy.world/post/35172737/19114271
https://lemmy.world/post/35172737/19115995
https://lemmy.world/post/35172737/19113948
https://lemmy.world/post/35172737/19107537
The modlog is here
https://lemmy.world/modlog/824439
no need for apolo- to be sorry lol
the second link is a prime example for my personal crusade against flippancy… which is, done by not agitating and thus not crusading at all uhh i guess i can’t call that a crusade… it stirs things up unnecessarily in contexts unproductive, furthering alienation and dehumanization through rage, and in this case reasonably and easily misread as justification/apologia/whataboutism for China’s actions.
but i don’t understand the dbzer0 aspect of this at all. i still don’t see dbzer0 not moderating Xinjiang as they do Gaza. if your links are referring to the vote counts, i can see upvotes (but not downvotes) as an mbin user and seemingly these votes on criticism of goat are familiar faces from the ML attention on this post, not dbzer0 (save debbs and very occasionally unruffled, who also from what i see is taking the stance of “yes there is genocide, but certain states are hypocritically hammering it as the worst thing ever while dismissing other genocides for selfish political gain instead of concern”, which would explain his upvotes).
though i would find it reasonable if goat and comments related to the votes nagging (and maybe what i mentioned about Amnesty above) were being downvoting by the dbzer0 people
There’s outright denialism, including Holodomor denialism, that is left up and unremoved.
Dbzer0 is quite insistent on removing other forms of genocide denialism in that comm.
They are not removing Holodomor and Uyghur genocide denialism.
It’s a very apparent double-standard, and considering what the admins upvote and at least one argues in favor of, raises some serious fucking questions.
I’m not taking into account downvotes, which can be for any number of reasons - only when the admins upvote genocide denialism.
The problem with that Israel statement isn’t the “not genocide” part; it’s the use of the word “shitty”. If I was a mod (or even something else with interest of engaging) approaching that, I’d reply something like “‘shitty’ is not a good word to describe the crimes against humanity happening in Gaza, though, with great disregard and bombings against human life and incredibly flimsy justification for attacking and even double-tapping civilian targets and centers” and see how they respond. I see no problem with
The thing I’m having difficulty seeing is mods applying a different standard to Palestinian genocide wording discussions than Uyghur in moderation actions like removal and banning, like “Dbzer0 is quite insistent on removing other forms of genocide denialism in that comm.”