Before I begin, I should clarify 1) I firmly stand against the transphobia that has seen a rise since yesterday 2) I don’t condone violence like what happened either, and 3) I don’t fully know how the papacy structure currently works
When the Bolsheviks killed the Romanovs, the pope at the time instantly canonized the Romanovs and that was the biggest PR blow to the Bolsheviks. Today there’s a pope who people show pride in as being from America, specifically Chicago. And he even speaks English. Anything he or even a top cardinal says on the Minneapolis matter is going to have weight when it comes to trans individuals. I guess my question is, if I am to say I fear that the shooter awakened a sleeping giant, how do we, you know, put the giant back to sleep without it misstepping anywhere? This isn’t just a worrywort talking, I’ve seen shit happen and know how things can go downhill fast. There must be some emergency “halt papal discussion of the topic” button somewhere.
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The shooting was almost definitely a false flag operation. I saw the video of the journal being shown. The entire thing is in the cerrylic alphabet (so people watching russian TV can read it) . But it’s 100% set up to justify sending you to a “wellness camp” so either run to a different country or hide out Anne Frank style. I don’t think I’m being needlessly alarmist either.
Based on the track record of the people currently in power, I wouldn’t put it past them to use that as a justification in hindsight, but how do we know it was what the shooter meant to bring about at the time of her actions?
You don’t, but I promise you that a random American kid with no ties to Russia didn’t write an entire journal in cerrylic (including a lot of russian phrases) and then slowly thumb through it on camera while not showing their face or saying anything. It was a video made for russian TV to enforce anti LGBTQ laws in Russia and demonise the west as a bunch of mentally ill psychopaths. As for the girl in question it wouldn’t surprise me if she were executed off site and placed at the scene.
Was that what the manifesto video was? I was early to the news but too late to see her manifesto part before it was blocked out. Though without having seen it and having just heard about it, I found it absurd she expected nobody to do anything about it, like it was just going to stay on display after she had died.
context please?
Had you heard of the American mass shooting yesterday?
i have heared abt it, but do need more context. what does the pope have to do with it? (other than that it happend in a cathoöic school?) has there been a transphobic reaction from the holy see? and why?
… you see i didn’t follow the news closely. i dont live in the usa, so maybe i am not the intended reader. but you seem to write for people who have read the same articles and stuff as you did.
i’d love to have more context. :)
has there been a transphobic reaction from the holy see? and why?
Not yet, but this is a concern, especially as he is from where it happened, is of the affected group, is only a year in office, and probably knows the casualties were all children who were born after 2010 and would make sainthood records in regards to their ages (one even took a bullet for a classmate).
it’d be quite unusual for the pope to adress a specific crime somewhere with more than thoughts and prayers. he also cannot throw around with sainthood. the catholic church has laws and requirements for that. even if he wanted to fast-track that it would take years.
i’m sure people will try to instrumentalise this. but i can’t imagine the pope picking up on this. his carreer is wholly independent on trump. why should he? he is a souvereign monarch. (catholics in the us tend to be quite extreme tho, there is a lot of very active sedisvacantists. these have been, and will be dangerous, i guess. but they distance themself from the younger popes anyway.)
i’d worry more abt fox news rn …
The pope right now seems staunchly anti-Trump. Unless you mean in the sense that this fuels him (the pope). I don’t know. The possibility of the norms being broken does feel like it could be at play. Some saints have become saints without the typical rules. The Romanovs are a good example of this. It was almost instantaneous, and they’re explicitly not even Catholic to my knowledge. To cite another one, there’s a muderous conquistador who is relevant here too, though I forgot his name. He slaughtered two hundred indigenous people and was by no means “practicing”, yet he was on a Catholic mission, so poof, he had started climbing the ranks. Saint Tekakwitha might be a recent third (but more innocent) example. She too challenged what it means to be Catholic, but the story goes the papacy was so desperate to penetrate the Haudenosaunee that they were like “she’s extremely lowkey, but we’ll take it”.
well zar nikolaus II is a saint of the russian orthodox church since 2000. i couldn’t find anything abt this in a catholic context. (and even if so, he was a geopolitically important person. not a kid from highschool)
the canonisation of kateri tekekwitha took centuries and on the basis, that she was already revered in northern america. i don’t know the details.
there are undeserved saints. i just dont think that the catholic church, will muddy their image as an eternal institution by throwing themselves into the usa’s culture war news-cycle. thats not to defend the church, but to focus on those who actually threaten democracy and freedom, like the king in orange.
Let us hope. Not defending either of these two individuals, but Pope Leo wasn’t afraid of throwing shade on Donald Trump due to his practices involving ICE at the most vulnerable moments, which follows Pope Francis who was equally political but more about social progress (e.g. climate change). Both of these popes, as well as Pope Benedict, always used to stop just short of declaring full tolerance towards LGBT practices while trying to appeal to the LGBT crowd, so let’s hope this is their limit.
Aren’t there many hundreds per year? As in more than one per day? I’m probably conflating mass shootings with school shootings. Even still, it’s probably best practice to share an article in case this forum is where an individual gets this kind of news.
No. The reason the statistics claim that is that their definition of “mass shooting” isn’t as strict as the one held by the individuals who look up the statistics.
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To sum it up, there was a mass shooting yesterday at a Catholic school in Minneapolis. Depending on the sources, the body count is currently either three or six, including the shooter who chose to die rather than let herself be arrested. Seventeen more were injured. The first thing people will notice about the shooter is that she is male-to-female transgender, and she mentions this in a manifesto she wrote that was intended to be seen after the shooting (but the place she published it to took it down, who would’ve thunk).
Initially I would’ve thought that three (or even six) people wouldn’t have made as much of an impact as, say, the typical twenty something people you hear about, but we live in a weird timeline and people are reacting more to this than in other cases. It’s safe to speculate there’s also some bias at play. Now enter the pope. He got appointed this year and for once is literally as American as apple pie. I think of all these circumstances put together and I think “well shit”.
The first thing people will notice about the shooter is that she is male-to-female transgender
Oh fucking no… Cue the assholes who use this as ammunition.
FUCK I’m scared now… D’:
Thanks… :3
nope, but from this post, i have to assume that a trans person shot a bunch of popes in chicago, and fox news and cheeto hitler are trying to whip folks into a frenzy over it. how’d i do?
Close. She massacred Minneapolis Catholic school students.
I see your concern; but I can’t imagine there’s anything to do about it other than to contact the Holy See directly and ask to speak to the Pope directly. (Seriously, good luck is wished at that endeavor for whomever feels they can achieve this.)
We can’t stop him from commenting. But we can specifically prepare for it.
