I think it’s a great idea, because comparing First and Second World Wars is kinds stupid. One was war of English and French capital against German capital, the other was war of the People against fascism.

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    I think it shows that western propaganda has infected China. Both wars were war between imperialist capitalists vs capitalists who were striving for empire.

    Pre-ww2 usa was every bit as fascist as germany. They just had victims who couldn’t effectively resist.

    europe didn’t fight germany and italy to stop fascism. They did it to protect themselves and their colonial holdings.

    The Chinese Communists made a truce with Chinese fascists to fight the japanese fascists. The Chinese didn’t defeat the kmt until 4 years after ww2 was over.

    The next world war will be the world anti-fascist war.

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      I don’t agree at all. Remember that China was fighting against fascist/monarchist Japan.

      China knows that the leaders of World War 2 were the USSR and arguable Maoist China. It knows that capitalist countries mostly provided assistance to socialism, because Hitler had gone too far for the colonialist’s tastes.

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        China fought the imperialist Japanese not the fascism. Once japan was off the main land China stopped fighting them. The Chinese civil war against the fascist KMT ended after ww2. So for China ww2 wasn’t against fascism it was against imperialism.

        For Russia it was war against fascists but it was a defensive war. They were not actively seeking to crush fascism. They were defending themselves against an invasion and the invaders refused to surrender until after they took the enemy’s capital and hitler shot himself in the head.

        Fighting fascists is not the same as anti-fascism.

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          Once japan was off the main land China stopped fighting them

          I don’t think China had any ability to continue fighting Japan once they were off the mainland.

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            The Chinese civil war which started before ww2 and was delayed when the Japanese attacked raged on for another 4 years. So they did keep fighting just not the Japanese.

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              I think they referred to the non-existent Chinese navy at the time, not their general ability to wage war. Either China would have been unable to invade the Japanese isles.

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            We are discussing what we think about a name for a historical event. It is literally a semantic discussion. So yeah I am being precise as to why I think it is a bad name.

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      Totally off base. You need some self crit.

      The war was predominantly Third Reich representing European capital vs USSR.

      80% of the third Reich defeated by the Soviets.

      It was 100% the anti-fascist war

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        USSR were fighting fascists but they were not seeking to destroy fascism. It was self defense against fascist not a proactive war of extermination of the fascist ideology.

        And the third reich was not representing “european capital” it was representing a bulk of European industrial capital but by no means was it all of it.

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          You could call it the war against communism then, but that wouldn’t create a glory story

          Regarding capital, you just splitting hairs