Too often there is this separation we invent where misogyny is a ubiquitous tool of patriarchy while misandry is somehow separate. This becomes so intense that many are not even able to admit that misandry is even theoretically possible, and even if it’s undeniable it is still seen as highly irrelevant to patriarchy.

But misandry does advance patriarchy and it is a force that intensifies misogyny.

Consider homophobia. This is an obvious case where misandry advances heretopatriarchy. Certain men can entrench their status through an infrastructure of hatred against homosexual men that can be accessed by nearly everyone else as well.

Consider transphobia. Another obvious realm where misandry is at play. Trans men are shown hatred in ways that are unique to the experience of cis men, and these experiences drive cis heteronormativity.

Consider how our actions and ideas impact the world. If we live in denial of misandry we live in denial of patriarchy. Denying misandry does not make you a quality feminist. It does not make you theoretically sound. Hating men just gets in the way of challenging patriarchy.

Consider how misandry enforces gender roles. Misandrous discourse functions to discipline people. When misandry is denied, there is almost always an element of “you have to man up, because women are weak.” The narrative is familiar; women are subjected to patriarchal violence and are thus too hysterical to have sound or reasonable options about men, thus, men must internalize misandrous attitudes out of sheer emotional intelligence and masculine willpower. The men who fail to do this are weak, unable to maintain a rational, stoic attitude and are thus lesser, unmasculine men. Men who can master their performance of masculinity in a self-denying or sacrificial way will benefits from misandry but will certainly be thoroughly disciplined by it.

Women, other non men genders,and queer communities often play a role in policing masculinity for patriarchy which may obfuscate the patriarchal power at play. This ultimately reinforces misogyny by haphazardly enforcing binaries, devaluing feminity, and promoting a supremacist view of masculinity.

Let me paint a situation. Imagine a comedian making a joke about their trans wife; that she removed the worst part of her–being a man. Everyone laughs in support of trans women and implicitly they laugh AT trans men and cis men. Next joke is about how stupid bisexual women are for dating men, how they make the queer community worse.

Now imagine you are a man who wants a little clarity in life. How should you feel about such language which is clearly both misandrous and misogynistic? How should you feel that it is directed at you, as a man? I’ll tell you:

You should feel safe because you are a man. If you don’t feel safe it’s because you are a weak man, incapable of performing.

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    7 days ago

    I appreciate your intervention. I am not really wanting to communicate misandry this way but also I still hold that homophobia does discipline men in destructive ways.

    None of these are anti white racism.

    No. But also it is less common for me to see people acting in a bigoted manner towards white people. I’m not sure I ever have (maybe by white people themselves if so). And if I did I would assume it was in service of white supremacy. I think it is strange to make the comparison. If I (a white) am unwelcomed in a Black space and get grief that is fundamentally different from going to a comedy show where the punchline is men and everyone is laughing. I hope that makes sense.

    Further, I can make analogues between these subjects and indigenous studies elsewhere. We will see if they are well received. I’m not against these analogues so long as we can remain aware of their limitations, but I do not feel people will be convinced through these tactics. The absence of anti-white racism as it is articulated simply doesn’t foreclose the hatred of men.

    I’ve seen men be shamed for having a male body and I feel it is in service of patriarchy. Maybe that isn’t misandry somehow, or maybe my experience will just be trashed, but it seems like quite a pedantic delineation of which the relevance is not obvious. I mean it cant be completely meaningless that men and boys in leftist spaces feel a sense of exasperation in navigating their gender. What’s confusing to me is that we should be somewhat glad about this because it signals that there could be opportunities for generative disrubtions in male habitus, yet it is seen as dangerous instead. There is little initiative to go beyond pessimism and so that is what we get.

    I think I should say the misandry I want to talk about is more about obfuscating misogyny and other processes of patriarchy through a valorized hatred of men. Not necessarily in a literal sense, more in a simulacrum sort of way. It may or may not be actual hatred of men for being a man, we can’t really make that call as easily as I’d like because “the map has superceded the land” or whatever baudrillard writes. It does not matter if people ““actually”” hate men. The point is that through this misandry everyone can be disciplined by patriarchical discourse and will be inoculated against others.