Too often there is this separation we invent where misogyny is a ubiquitous tool of patriarchy while misandry is somehow separate. This becomes so intense that many are not even able to admit that misandry is even theoretically possible, and even if it’s undeniable it is still seen as highly irrelevant to patriarchy.

But misandry does advance patriarchy and it is a force that intensifies misogyny.

Consider homophobia. This is an obvious case where misandry advances heretopatriarchy. Certain men can entrench their status through an infrastructure of hatred against homosexual men that can be accessed by nearly everyone else as well.

Consider transphobia. Another obvious realm where misandry is at play. Trans men are shown hatred in ways that are unique to the experience of cis men, and these experiences drive cis heteronormativity.

Consider how our actions and ideas impact the world. If we live in denial of misandry we live in denial of patriarchy. Denying misandry does not make you a quality feminist. It does not make you theoretically sound. Hating men just gets in the way of challenging patriarchy.

Consider how misandry enforces gender roles. Misandrous discourse functions to discipline people. When misandry is denied, there is almost always an element of “you have to man up, because women are weak.” The narrative is familiar; women are subjected to patriarchal violence and are thus too hysterical to have sound or reasonable options about men, thus, men must internalize misandrous attitudes out of sheer emotional intelligence and masculine willpower. The men who fail to do this are weak, unable to maintain a rational, stoic attitude and are thus lesser, unmasculine men. Men who can master their performance of masculinity in a self-denying or sacrificial way will benefits from misandry but will certainly be thoroughly disciplined by it.

Women, other non men genders,and queer communities often play a role in policing masculinity for patriarchy which may obfuscate the patriarchal power at play. This ultimately reinforces misogyny by haphazardly enforcing binaries, devaluing feminity, and promoting a supremacist view of masculinity.

Let me paint a situation. Imagine a comedian making a joke about their trans wife; that she removed the worst part of her–being a man. Everyone laughs in support of trans women and implicitly they laugh AT trans men and cis men. Next joke is about how stupid bisexual women are for dating men, how they make the queer community worse.

Now imagine you are a man who wants a little clarity in life. How should you feel about such language which is clearly both misandrous and misogynistic? How should you feel that it is directed at you, as a man? I’ll tell you:

You should feel safe because you are a man. If you don’t feel safe it’s because you are a weak man, incapable of performing.

  • CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.mlOP
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    7 days ago

    But this ultimately misses the point I am trying to express. I’m not talking about airing grievances. It’s 2025 and I’m 35 years old. I hear the point you are making on a daily basis. Why is it so hard to have faith in people that maybe they have heard the point you are making and are trying to go further, instead of merely angry that a woman said something.

    Also as I said above I don’t believe that women are inherently powerless. The idea that misandry doesn’t theoretically exist hinges on the observation that men have access to power women don’t, but we all know women can and do build power. We also know patriarchy actually can empower women for its purposes. I haven’t reread my OP since I wrote it weeks ago but I’m pretty sure the way I understand misandry is that it’s directly related to and empowered by misogyny and patriarchy but I guess no one has much interesting to say on that. If you deny misandry you risk denying that power. You have to deny the power and agency that women have just to make them weaker than they really are and make men more powerful than they really are. I find this to be a concerning discursive feature of patriarchy that the hatred of women can be obfuscated by the valorized hatred of men.